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   On 12/17/2025 9:38 AM, James wrote:   
   >> James claims Jesus is “a god,   
   > On Tue, 16 Dec 2025 16:08:15 -0600, Christ Rose   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
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   >> Tue, 16 Dec 2025 16:58:59 -0500   
   >> <96l3kkh8umegp8peprski6no8p8vr5bt64@4ax.com>   
   >> Watchtower James  wrote:   
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   >>> Did the BIBLE call it a cross? NO. It used   
   >>> the Greek word "staurus", which means a single upright pole. (with no   
   >>> cross member)   
   >>   
   >> Your repeated, refuted, and (yes) STUPID argument is like saying that   
   >> Bible boats did not have oars, because it says "boat", not "oars". We   
   >> already know the Romans hung patibulum (a cross beam) on the poles   
   >> (stauros):   
   >>   
   >> 1. Plautus (c. 254–184 BC) –Miles Gloriosus 359–360   
   >>   
   >>       "Patibulum ferat per urbem, deinde affigatur cruci" (Plautus,   
   >>        Miles Gloriosus 359–360).   
   >>   
   >>       ("Let him carry the patibulum through the city, then be fastened   
   >>         to the cross").   
   >>   
   >> This shows that the condemned carried the patibulum to the site of   
   >> execution, consistent with Gospel accounts (John 19:17).   
   >>   
   >> 2. Seneca the Younger (c. 4 BC–AD 65) –De Vita Beata 19.3   
   >>   
   >>       "Aliter patiuntur bestiarum ictus aut patibulo suffiguntur"   
   >>        (Seneca,De Vita Beata 19.3)   
   >>   
   >>       ("They suffer blows from beasts or are fastened to the   
   >>         patibulum.")   
   >>   
   >> Seneca mentions criminals being fastened to the patibulum, indicating it   
   >> was a physical beam.   
   >>   
   >> 3. Justinian’s Digest (compiled AD 533)   
   >>   
   >>       "Qui patibulo adfixus est"Digest 48.19.28 §15.   
   >>   
   >>       ("He who has been affixed to the patibulum.")   
   >>   
   >> This shows legal terminology acknowledging the patibulum as part of   
   >> crucifixion.   
   >>   
   >> These sources confirm that Roman crucifixion involved the patibulum,   
   >> which the condemned carried and was affixed to, forming the traditional   
   >> cross structure (T or †). The concept of outstretched arms (e.g., John   
   >> 21:18) assumes this form.   
      
   > No matter what some ancient writers wrote, the BIBLE writers called it   
   > a staurus; an upright pole.   
      
      
   No one disputes that staurus means pole, fool! The Bible also calls   
   boats "boats", not "oars". However, only a MORON would argue that boats   
   don't have oars, because it says "boats", not "oars". Romans hung   
   patibulum on the staurus, forming a cross. Your whole argument is STUPID   
   and UNNECESSARILY DIVISIVE.   
      
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