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Thu, 18 Dec 2025 11:17:27 -0500
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Watchtower James wrote:
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> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 20:20:33 -0600, Christ Rose
> wrote:
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>> Wed, 17 Dec 2025 21:00:06 -0500
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>> Watchtower James wrote:
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>>> Who is fulfilling Mt 24:14 in these last days?
>>>
>>> -- King James
>>> Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all
>>> the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
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>> Not "Jehovah's Witnesses". They promote a false gospel that denies Jesus
>> is God, proclaims atonement for sin through your own physical death, and
>> many other Bible-contradicting heresies which are all strategically
>> designed and tailored to reject the truth in favor of their lies. And
>> yes, a lie remains a lie whether you believe it to be true or not (2
>> Thessalonians 2:11).
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> So who then is fulfilling Mt 24:14? In these last days, you must see
> some religious organization preaching to all countries about the
> Kingdom of God. It's a prophecy of our day. It has to happen. Who???
Every single church I've ever attended proclaims the gospel and supports
missionaries who proclaim the gospel oversees. "Jehovah's witnesses" do
not, because they teach many serious and Bible contradicting heresies.
>> denies Jesus is God,
>
> Ex 33:20: "for no man shall see Me, and live.''
> Col 1:15: "Who is the image of the invisible God, the
> firstborn of every creature:"
> Rev 3:14: "the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the
> creation of God";
> 1 John 4:12: "No man has ever seen God"
> John 14:28: "for my Father is greater than I."
> 1 Cor 11:3: "the head of Christ is God."
You promote the same refuted lies over and over without addressing the
facts. These have been answered no less than 30 times already, as will
be demonstrated below:
See article
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Fri, 23 May 2025 15:42:31 -0400
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"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James wrote:
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> Only God is good. (Luke 18:19)
• The man correctly concluded Jesus was good.
• Jesus did not deny He was good.
• Jesus pointed out that only God is good.
• Conclusion: Jesus wanted the man to conclude He was God.
> Jesus didn't know the day or hour. But only God did. (Mt 24:36)
• Jesus did not cling to His equality with God (Philippians
2:6-11).
• He temporarily emptied Himself of independent access to His
divine attributes to provide an atonement for our sins
(Philippians 2:6-11).
> Cannot look at God and still live. (Ex 33:20)
Which proves Jesus was God.
• In the beginning He was both with God and was God (John 1).
• Jesus never saw God directly in His unglorified human body.
• Jesus ascended back to the right hand of God in a glorified body
(Philippians 3:21) that can withstand the sight of God's glory
(Acts 2:33).
> No man has ever seen God; (1 John 4:12)
• idem. See above.
• Are you denying his humanity now too?
• Jesus saw God as God, not as an unglorified human being.
• Jesus is the exception: “not that anyone has seen the Father except
he who is from God; he has seen the Father.” (John 6:46, ESV)
> Jesus has the same God as we do. (Mt 27:46)
Which is what we proclaim. In the beginning, Jesus was both "with God",
and "was God" (John 1:1ff.).
> No one has seen the Father. (John 6:46)
Selective editing. See "except" in the verse below.
“Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God;
He has seen the Father.” (John 6:46, NKJV)
> Jesus said he was the start of God's creations. (Rev 3:14)
And He was. Archē includes the meaning "cause" and "authority".
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things
were made through him, and without him was not any thing made
that was made.” (John 1:1–3, ESV)
You're trying to interpret "start" (arche) as "first created thing". It
actually means "starter" of creation. So yes, Jesus was the cause of
God's creation (Colossians 1:16). He originated it (John 1:3). He
brought it into being (Hebrews 1:2).
> Yes, Jesus was created by God (Col 1:15)
"firstborn" (pr
totokos) includes the meaning "preeminent". It points to
Jesus authority over creation, as one who has the "right of a firstborn"
Son. That this means Jesus is the Creator rather than created, is
evident in what you omitted from the context:
“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all
creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on
earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or
rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and
for him.” (Colossians 1:15–16, ESV)
• This is why Watchtower has to keep eisegeting "other" into
Colossians 1, where it does not occur.
• This is not to make something "clear" which would have been obscure
without the addition of "other".
• It only makes sense if you are trying to enforce a denial of
Christ's deity despite what the passage plainly states.
> God is not a three headed freak, but only ONE God. (Deut 6:4)
• The Bible teaches there is only one God Being (Deut. 6:4).
• The Bible teaches three persons are God: The Father (1
Corinthians 8:6), Son (John 1:1; John 20:28), and Holy Spirit
(Acts 5:3-4).
> God is not a three headed freak, but only ONE God. (Mr 12:29)
Jesus is "a god" (Watchtower John 1:1 [New World Translation]).
“Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him,
“Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those
who have not seen and yet have believed.”” (John 20:28–29, ESV)
> Only God is good. (Mr 10:18)
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