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   >>> falsehoods (lies), what you are saying remains a "lie", whether you   
   >>> believe it to be true or not. Don't try to confuse "lie" (falsehood)   
   >>> with "lying" (knowingly trying to deceive people).   
   >> Boy, are you off the correct road. I have already showed you the REAL   
   >> definition of a lie by Webster and others. If you want to make up your   
   >> own definition, that is up to you. I will go by the true references.   
   >>>   
   >>>> You can't get away from the bottom line. THE BIBLE USES STAURUS TO   
   >>>> DESCRIBE JESUS' EXECUTION INSTRUMENT. "Come hell or high water", that   
   >>>> is always the base line.   
   >>> To begin, no one needs to "get away" from the fact the Bible says   
   >>> "staurus", to understand Romans hung patibulum ON THE STAURUS.   
   >>>   
   >>> Second, it is not I who seek to get away from the bottom line, but you:   
   >>>   
   >>>       • You PRETEND it's necessary to "get away" from "staurus" to   
   >>>         understand Romans hung patibulum ON THE STAURUS. This is pure   
   >>>         falsehood (lies). It's like claiming Bible boats couldn't have   
   >>>         oars, because the Bible says "boats" not "oars". You don't have   
   >>>         to tell people who "rowed" these boats that they had "oars",   
   >>>         for them to understand they had oars. When the Bible says   
   >>>         "staurus", that does not equal "and didn't have a patibulum".   
   >>>   
   >>>       • You CITE VERBATIM: "No one disputes that staurus means pole,   
   >>>         fool!", then PRETEND I tried to "get away" from the word   
   >>>         "staurus" after you cite me acknowledging it.   
   >>>   
   >>>       • You PRETEND that if "all" boats don't have oars (something I   
   >>>         never claimed), it somehow refutes the fact "Bible" boats had   
   >>>         oars (what I actually claimed). It does not. The Bible calls   
   >>>         them "boats", but does not deny they had oars. That's how they   
   >>>         "rowed" them. Thus again you promote a lie.   
   >>>   
   >>>       • You are not arguing against the ACTUAL points being raised,   
   >>>         because you know your view loses. Instead, you MISREPRESENT the   
   >>>         views and try to REFRAME them with straw-men of your own   
   >>>         invention.   
   >>>   
   >>> Remember, a falsehood is a lie, whether people believe it to be true or   
   >>> not. If you promote falsehoods, you promote lies.   
   >>>   
   >>> Conclusion   
   >>>   
   >>> The fact the Bible uses "staurus" provides ZERO EVIDENCE that Romans did   
   >>> NOT hang patibulum on the staurus. We know from multiple historical   
   >>> sources that they did. Trying to maintain an ongoing argument about this   
   >>> is like trying to claim Bible boats did not have oars because the Bible   
   >>> says "boat", not "oars".   
   >   
   >> The very bottom of the bottom line is what it SAYS, not what it   
   >> doesn't say.   
   >   
   >   
   >The Bible does NOT SAY "without crossbeams". YOU say that, based on   
   >principles you here admit are erroneous.   
      
   It also doesn't say without trapezoids, and squares and triangles or   
   anything else you want to dredge up. Staurus is just an upright pole.   
   That's what the Bible says, and that's what I believe the Bible   
   writers of the `1st century knew.   
      
   Oh, and be careful of too much Christmas cheer. At this time of year,   
   I am so glad I am a JW. It used to drive me nuts buying gifts on a   
   very limited budget. Besides, Jesus said there is more happiness in   
   giving than in receiving.   
      
   Despite our great differences, you are one of God's creations, so have   
   a great evening. I'll sure give it a try.   
      
   "THE GOOD NEWS ACCORDING TO JESUS   
   Episode 1: The True Light of the World   
   In this episode, see the amazing events that led up to Jesus’ birth.   
   Watch This Video".   
   See jw.org (12/21/2025)   
   James: zebrabible@proton.me   
      
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