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   On 1/1/2026 9:33 AM, James wrote:   
   > On Wed, 31 Dec 2025 11:18:28 -0600, Christ Rose   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> Revelation 21:3–4 speaks about the final state after judgment, not the   
   >> means by which sinners enter that state. Scripture never presents the   
   >> promise of a new heaven and new earth as the gospel itself, but as the   
   >> outcome secured by the gospel. John places Revelation 21 after the   
   >> resurrection, judgment, and removal of unbelief. He does not replace the   
   >> message of Christ’s cross   
   >   
   > cross - staurus   
      
      
         • When the Bible says "boat", that doesn't mean "without oars".   
           We know they had oars because it says they "rowed" the boat   
           (Mark 6:48; John 6:19).   
      
         • When the Bible says "staurus" (pole), that doesn't necessitate   
           "without a crossbeam". We know Romans hung patibulum on the   
           staurus. We know they were in the shape of a cross (T or t, or   
           X).   
      
   No one goes to hell for understanding that the Romans hung cross-beams   
   on the staurus. No one goes to heaven because they denied Romans hung   
   cross-beams on the staurus. You're not saving anyone or championing the   
   defense of God's glory by making a continual, stupid and needless point   
   of contention over the word staurus.   
      
      
   >> with a future political or governmental   
   >> arrangement.   
   >   
   > No one said he did. Yes, there are a lot of things that have to   
   > happening before we see the fulfillment of Rev 21:3,4.   
      
      
   You don't tell people the gospel which the disciples preached, and by   
   which Paul said men were saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). You give   
   legalistic, moral one-uppery lectures that try to rob people of enjoying   
   their daily lives over false and twisted doctrines of your own   
   fabrication, while not telling them what the Bible says is necessary to   
   be saved.   
      
   You promote a false, Christ-denying method of atonement for sins,   
   claiming men's own death will atone for their sins, which contradicts   
   the Bible and is NOT what Romans 6 teaches. Believers are saved from the   
   obligation to sin through faith in Christ's death to sin and   
   resurrection to newness of life. It is only the believer who has died   
   with Christ to sin, not the unbeliever. You promote blatant,   
   Bible-contradicting LIES, including your implication that the eternal   
   state described in Revelation 21 is somehow a replacement for the gospel.   
      
   >>   
   >> The Bible defines the gospel clearly and narrowly. Christ died for our   
   >> sins, He was buried, and He was raised on the third day (1 Corinthians   
   >> 15:1–4, ESV).   
   >   
   > You have it right now. You have been saying at Luke 23:43 that the   
   > thief would be in Paradise that same day ("today")   
      
      
   More of your stupid, brainwashing efforts and twisted lies. He was with   
   Christ on that day, in his soul, before Christ rose from the dead.   
   Nowhere does the Bible teach that people cease to exist when they die,   
   or that they are recreated out of nothing after ceasing to exist. That's   
   part of your gospel denying lies of Satan by which you seek to comfort   
   people with the idea they can reject Christ's atonement for their sins,   
   and still escape eternal, conscious torment in the lake of fire.   
      
   In the best case scenario that you don't realize you are a manipulated   
   tool of Satan, that does not excuse the fact that you directly and with   
   determination, contradict the gospel and seek to lead men down a path   
   that will result in their conscious, eternal torment.   
      
      
   > But as you say, Jesus had to be buried for 3 days. Thus the comma in   
   > your translation is in the wrong place, and throws the whole narrative   
   > off.   
      
      
   idem. You do almost nothing but promote twisted lies and deceit like   
   your father the devil. You are a sock-puppet mouthpiece for Satan. You   
   do almost nothing but promote satanically manipulated lies which are   
   calculated to lead people to eternal damnation, contrary to your   
   continual efforts to portray yourself as an angel of light. Almost every   
   time you open your mouth to talk it's the voice of Satan.   
      
   Entertaining your lies is an exercise in contamination.   
      
   --   
   Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God   
   raised Him from the dead?   
      
   That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death   
   penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death   
   satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John   
   2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your   
   sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.   
      
   On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on   
   the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name   
   of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).   
      
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