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Wed, 07 Jan 2026 18:03:12 -0500
Watchtower Heretic James wrote:
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> On Fri, 2 Jan 2026 19:58:19 -0600, Christ Rose
> wrote:
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>> Fri, 02 Jan 2026 19:47:21 -0500
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>> Watchtower Heretic James wrote:
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>>>> • When the Bible says "staurus" (pole), that doesn't necessitate
>>>> "without a crossbeam". We know Romans hung patibulum on the
>>>> staurus. We know they were in the shape of a cross (T or t, or
>>>> X).
>
> The Bible also says a "tree". (Deut 21:22,23)
>
>>
>>> "We know", but I don't know. Please show me.
>
> 22. And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to
> be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:
> 23. His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou
> shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is
> accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God
> giveth thee for an inheritance.
> (Deut 21:22,23; NKJV)
>
>>
>>
>> What do you call someone who claims he doesn't know and needs to be
>> shown information which can be documented as having been shown to him no
>> less that 10 times already? How about "Liar"?
>
> How about a person with a bad memory? It happens you know
> You seem to have "lying" branded on your brain.
>
>> Here it is again:
>>
>>
>> 1. Seneca the Younger (c. 4 BC–AD 65) – *De Vita Beata* 19.3
>
>>
>> "Aliter patiuntur bestiarum ictus aut patibulo suffiguntur"
>> (Seneca, *De Vita Beata* 19.3)
>>
>> ("They suffer blows from beasts or are fastened to the
>> patibulum.")
>
> AI,
>
> "The confusion often arises because Seneca describes different methods
> of Roman crucifixion in this passage, and scholars frequently compare
> his descriptions to the Greek term stauros (sta????) used in the New
> Testament."
>
>
>>
>>
>> 2. Plautus (c. 254–184 BC) – *Miles Gloriosus* 359–360
>>
>> ".
> ferat per urbem, deinde affigatur cruci" (Plautus,
>> *Miles Gloriosus* 359–360).
>>
>> ("Let him carry the patibulum through the city, then be fastened
>> to the cross").
>
>
> Plautus staurus crux
> The Terms Stauros and Crux
> The terms stauros (Greek) and crux (Latin) did not always exclusively
> mean the familiar two-beamed cross shape.
> Stauros: Originally, in classical Greek, stauros primarily meant an
> "upright pale or stake".
>
> And it translates from the word "stauros" all through Jesus.
> impailment. Why would then they were worried about using a pagan
> cross?
>
> Crux: The Latin crux referred to the instrument of torture and
> execution, which could be a simple stake (crux simplex), a T-shaped
> cross (tau), or the traditional cross shape.
>> execution, consistent with Gospel accounts (John 19:17).
>>
>> Seneca mentions criminals being fastened to the patibulum, indicating it
was a physical beam."
>
> Although it could have been a crux simplex.
>
>>
>>
>> 3. Justinian’s Digest (compiled AD 533)
>>
>> "Qui patibulo adfixus est" *Digest* 48.19.28 §15.
>>
>> ("He who has been affixed to the patibulum.")
>>
>> This shows legal terminology acknowledging the patibulum as part of
>> crucifixion.
>
> Yes but it is 533 C.E. Far from the 1st century.
>>
>> These sources confirm that Roman crucifixion involved the patibulum,
>> which the condemned carried and was affixed to, forming the traditional
>> cross structure (T or †). The concept of outstretched arms (e.g., John
>> 21:18) assumes this form.
>
> Nowhere in the Bible does it talk about describing a cross. And it
> stays with the word STAURUS throughout the gospels.
>
> But assuming you are right, why would the 1st century Bible writers
> call it a staurus? They should have called it a pagan cross, or the
> Latin crux. ("which also referred to an upright stake or gibbet,) AI
>
> But they stuck with staurus.
>
> "The term "gibbet" refers to an upright stake or stakepole used for
> crucifixion, particularly in ancient Roman execution methods. The
> Greek word "stauros" (sta????) originally meant an upright wooden
> stake, which could be used for various purposes, including
> crucifixion. While the New Testament often refers to a cross (crux) as
> the instrument of Jesus's crucifixion, some scholars argue that it
> could also refer to a simple stake (crux simplex) or a T-shaped
> structure (crux commissa). The interpretation of the term "gibbet" can
> vary, with some suggesting it may have been a simple stake or a
> cross-shaped structure, reflecting the complexity of ancient"
>
> See the picture at:
> (https://assetsnffrgf-a.akamaihd.net/assets/m/1102014732/univ/
rt/1102014732_univ_lsr_lg.jpg)
> So it is still controverial, some say "staurus", some say "cross".
> Since the BIBLE uses "staurus", I'll stick with that for now.
I remain free of the delusion that your falsehoods and hypocritical
double standards have somehow escaped exposure and refutation ad nauseam.
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