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Tue, 20 Jan 2026 11:07:28 -0500
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Watchtower Heretic James wrote:
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Contrary to your efforts to constantly distract, twist and confuse (with
never ending arguments over words like "Hades") whenever you get
cornered in a Bible contradicting lie, I remain disabused from the
falsehood that you and "Jehovah's Witnesses" preach the same gospel as
Paul and the disciples. You clearly preach "ANOTHER" "ACCURSED" gospel
(Galatians 1:8-9).
The true gospel is that Christ's death atones for men's sins (1
Corinthians 15:1-4; 1 John 2:1-2), not men's own death. Likewise, men
are relieved from the obligation to sin by faith in Christ's death to
sin (Romans 6), NOT their own physical death. NOTHING in Romans 6 says
any such thing as that men's own death atones for their sins.
You are an OBVIOUS, Bible contradicting LIAR. There's no way you can
argue out of one side of your face that you believe the true gospel
(Christ's death atones for men's sins), then claim that men's OWN DEATH
is what atones for their sins out of the other side of your lying face.
> On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 18:36:15 -0600, Christ Rose
> wrote:
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>> Mon, 19 Jan 2026 18:01:19 -0500
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>> Watchtower Heretic James wrote:
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>>>> Hades does not mean “the grave” in the sense of unconscious
>>>> non-existence.
>
> What other " sense" is there?
Since you have already responded to multiple articles in which the
senses were explained (see list below), how are you not consciously
seeking to mislead people with your denial?
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You've done this time and again. First you act like you can just
pronounce a denial. Then when articles are produced showing you've
already responded to and interacted with what you later deny ever
existed, you ignore it, then you claim you "honestly forgot" about it,
etc. Then you expect people to believe that you coincidentally,
conveniently, and "honestly" didn't remember it ever having been
mentioned before. By the grace of God, I remain disabused from your
INTENTIONAL, ONGOING PATTERN of efforts to LIE, TWIST, and DECEIVE.
> Scripture presents it as a real, conscious intermediate
>>>> state. The New Testament language remains consistent, precise, and
>>>> mutually reinforcing across the Gospels, Epistles, and Revelation.
>>
>>
>> • Notice the current subject. "Jehovah's Witnesses" do not preach
>> the same Gospel the apostles preached (1 Corinthians 15:1-4).
>> You therefore preach "another" gospel, which Paul said is
>> "accursed" (Galatians 1:8-9). No amount of sophistry, nonsense,
>> lies and non-sequiturs about the meaning of "Hades" will change
>> that.
>
> And I agree with Paul's Scripture, and all of them. No amount of
> misinterpreting Scripture will change that.
Liar. You do NOT preach a gospel of salvation by grace, through faith in
Christ, apart from human merit as Paul did. You preach a FALSE, ACCURSED
gospel that seeks to add human works and merit, which Paul anathematized
in Galatians (1:8-9, etc.). Further, you deny Christ's atonement for
men's sins, claiming that men's own death atones for their sins which
contradicts everything the Bible teaches, especially in Romans 6, which
you LIE about through your teeth.
>>
>> • Your response below does not refute or even address the content
>> of what is said above. The Bible presents Hades as a *place*
>> where the souls who occupy it are conscious. You present no
>> Bible-based argument or evidence to believe otherwise.
>> Everything which follows is simply your refuted nonsense,
>> falsehoods, denials and non-sequiturs about the meaning of the
>> term "Hades".
>
> Then please explain this.
It's one thing to disagree with an explanation which has already been
given. But to sit there and pretend like no explanation has ever been
given, and then repeatedly call for one to be given AFTER you are
DOCUMENTED reading, citing and responding to the explanations which you
NOW DENY ever existed, CANNOT be anything less than a conscious effort
to deceive (LIE).
Hades is tossed into the Lake of Fire. (Rev
> 20:14) If Hades is a "place", that doesn't make any sense. If Hades
> (grave) is symbolic and the Lake of Fire (everlasting destruction) is
> symbolic, then it is saying God will never again let people die the
> first death and go to a grave for a later resurrection. THAT MAKES
> MORE SENSE!
A simple analogy shows how stupid you think people would have to be to
believe your intentional lies: "out of the frying pan and into the
fire". A frying pan is a place which holds and cooks food. Yet you
effectively say, "how can a frying pan (a place where food is cooked) be
thrown into a fire?", as if it would be some kind of mystery or
impossibility. He takes the realm which previously held the conscious
souls of unbelievers, and throws it into the lake of fire.
What kind of moron would argue that it would have to be possible for the
pan itself to experience torture, before it would be possible for the
pan to be thrown into a fire, or the food (souls) within it to be burned
(tortured) in the "fire"? How stupid do you think people are?
>>
>>
>>> Hades is only a temporary place. During judgments, Hades will be
>>> tossed into the Lake of Fire. Can Hades be tortured??? According to
>>> you, yes. According to the Bible, of course not. They what is it doing
>>> in that Lake of Fire?
>>
>> • Idem.
>>
>> • Neither I nor the Bible said Hades would be tortured.
>>
>> • It does not follow that Hades must be tortured in order to be
>> thrown into the lake of fire (non-sequitur nonsense).
>
> According to you, the Lake of Fire is a place of a life of torture.
According to "me"? The Bible clearly states that the "lake of fire" is a
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