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   From: sam@spade.invalid   
      
   James wrote:   
      
   > Evolution: Please explain.   
      
   Can you explain the details of your version of creationism, in even 1%   
   of the detail that evolution has been expounded?   
      
   Can you do that without refererencing evolution?   
      
      
   > Concerning evolution, I would like your opinion on how this could have   
   > happened.   
   >   
   > One of those alleged designs from evolution out there, is a type of   
   > ophrys orchid (family Orchidaceae), that has pictures of female wasps   
   > on its petals. The picture even shows eyes, antennae and wings. But   
   > that's not all. It produces an odor of a female wasp ready to mate.   
   > This draws the male wasp, which in turn pollinates the flower.   
   >   
   >  So tell me please if you can, if the plants came first, how did it   
   >  know that female wasps were going to be evolved later on, so as to   
   > draw pictures of them on its petals? And how could it know what the   
   > female mating odor would be like so as to duplicate its chemistry?   
   >   
   > But if they developed simultaneously, how could the orchid foresee the   
   > final appearance and odor of a female wasp and then precisely paint   
   > its picture on itself for pollination? And remember, it is evolution   
   > allegedly doing this. It has no eyes nor olfactory senses, yet it   
   > correctly paints the female wasp and reproduces its odor. If I didn't   
   > know any better, sounds like a mind is needed for that.   
   >   
   > Now if the wasp developed first, we still got the problem of the   
   > orchid detecting the shape and color AND ODOR of the wasp. It just   
   > sounds like something with a brain or mind is needed to produce that   
   > complexity.   
      
   You might be able to answer your own question if you would not try to   
   define evolution in a way that nobody else does.   
      
   You are stuck on the idea that the plant or wasp, once it first appears,   
   can never adapt on its own to new circumstances.  I realize this is what   
   you believe as a creationist, but it's not at all how any biologist's   
   version of evolution works.  If you want to debunk evolution, you have   
   to understand what evolution is.   
      
   Seriously, I would love to see creation abiogenesis explained step by   
   step at the machinery level.   
      
   I hope you don't think i'm picking on you by questioning your posts.  In   
   fact, you may be the only one here who isn't a loon.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)