XPost: alt.internet.wireless, alt.hacker, alt.hackers.malicious   
   From: dAvE@MeOw.oRg   
      
   On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 23:52:55 GMT, jumpin jeffery    
   wrote:   
      
   >FrozenNorth wrote:   
   >> dave hillstrom wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 17:15:17 GMT, jumpin jeffery    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> bobbbybobbyiii@yahoo.com wrote:   
   >>>>> Hello everyone   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I have an 'Belkin High-Speed Mode Wireless G USB Network Adaptor'   
   >>>>> installed on my computer. Does anyone know a way to change or spoof the   
   >>>>> MAC Address of the USB?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> How do you achieve this without the use of software? And is possible   
   >>>>> with the use of software? TIA   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> (I've already checked properties via the 'Device Manager'.)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Bobby   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> Your USB isn't the one with the MAC address, it's the   
   >>>> eathernet port. It's in the hardware. I don't know of any   
   >>>> way to change it.   
   >>>> Why would you want to?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It might be possible to spoof it through a software hack,   
   >>>> but this would be 1) risky 2) slow your connection 3) not   
   >>>> easy 4) probably unnessesary if you are using an intranet   
   >>> the MAC address on ethernet cards is held in a teensie little piece of   
   >>> ROM silicon on you network card.  there is no changing it in hardware.   
   >>> (well, ~I~ could, with a soldering iron and a new serial PROM part,   
   >>> but it would take some research and time.)  its there so that every   
   >>> single goddamned NIC has a unique hardware address so that clashes on   
   >>> networks are minimized.   
   >>>   
   >>> as for the wireless network, i imagine they ALSO use a unique set of   
   >>> numbers to eliminate data confusion.  but dont get the USB interface   
   >>> on the box confused logically with the wireless interface on the box.   
   >>> USB uses a different format for unique identification, as the maximum   
   >>> allowed USB devices that can be connected all together is rather small   
   >>> compared to the bazillions that ethernet, or potentially wireless, can   
   >>> connect.   
   >>>   
   >>> if what you are trying to do is to masquerade as a recognized wireless   
   >>> device on someone elses network, say your neighbor who has broadband,   
   >>> if they have the basic security shit set up for their wireless network   
   >>> youll have a VERY hard time getting in.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> jesuslordgod.  i actually sound like i know what im talking about.   
   >>>   
   >>> scary.   
   >>   
   >> Actually some windows drivers will let you change the MAC addy that is   
   >> broadcast, some 3Com cards if memory serves and probably some others, also   
   >> under linux it is trivial to change the MAC address.   
   >>   
   >OK, I know who I'm asking stuff to.   
   >All these knowledgeable folks sound so dangerous!   
   >Knowledge=Dangerous=Sexy??   
   >   
   >Isn't the MAC change under Linux a spoofy thing?   
   >Like, it's intercepted and altered, the card MAC stays the   
   >same, doesn't it?   
   >It's not a rewrite of a PROM that the Linux drivers do, is   
   >it? Not like you could Linux install it, change the MAC, and   
   >then put the card inna MSbox and have a new MAC on it, right?   
   >I thought they weren't allowed to put the MAC in a   
   >programmable space...   
      
   i imagine this is getting into a very card specific area.  cheap   
   RTL8139 or VIA cards, no way, id think.  but if youve got some mid to   
   high end intel or 3Com card, you probably have a bunch more options,   
   like a FLASH based firmware you can "upgrade".  maybe even some eeprom   
   on the bitch for setup values.  so, unless someone KNOWS better, the   
   answer might be "it depends"   
      
   pc software isnt my area.  im more a hardware guy, with forays into   
   firmware, all non pc-ish.  but ive worked for a few component   
   distributors as a sales engineer and i learned a bunch of pc shit,   
   most notably when i worked for Future Electronics, which had AMD as   
   one of its lines.  before that id worked for a rep firm who had Chips   
   & Tech as a line, too.  so i got a lot of sales training on their   
   parts and basic theory.  but its all like 6 to 10 years old.   
      
   it sounds like frozennorth has more up to date experience.   
      
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