XPost: alt.hackers.malicious, alt.2600   
   From: dinosoft@adelphia.net   
      
   "Mystikal"  wrote in message   
   news:1164606924.461218.234040@14g2000cws.googlegroups.com...   
   > Sugien wrote:   
   >>      I would have to say if you are serious and not just trolling that it   
   >> would depend on a couple of things:   
   >   
   > Serious as cancer, man.   
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   >>   
   >> 1) How much money you have that you are willing to spend to achieve the   
   >> objective.   
   >   
   >   
   > None of my own!   
      
   If you are not even willing to spend any of your own money, I would not   
   consider you to be serious about it, there for the other points are moot.   
   Would you be willing to for instance rob banks to fund the opperation? or   
   sell everything you own to fund it?   
      
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   > 2) How many people you have that are willing to risk a jail term or if   
   >   
   >> convicted of treason and terrorism a death sentence.   
   >   
   > FBI: Federal Bungling Incompetents. If they couldn't catch all those   
   > Muhammedans, they couldn't catch me. LOL   
      
      
   When someone takes the point in their mind that they *can't* be caught is   
   when they most easily are   
      
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   >> 3) How long until you can muster 1 and 2 above   
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   > I have nothing but time. And donuts.   
      
   Lots of time to use on the project is good as is donuts durring the   
   planning phase; however is as I stated in #1 above if you are not willing to   
   spend *any* of your own money then your willingness to do what is needed to   
   acomplish the goal is in doubt.   
      
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   >> 4) The time frame in which you would expect completion   
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   > I'm a patient man.   
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   >>   
   >> 5)  After achieving the primary objective (stopping anyone from using the   
   >> internet  *taking the whole thang down*) how long would it have to be   
   >> down   
   >> to satisfy the primary objective.   
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   >   
   > As long as possible. Seeing Amazon and Ebay and the like lose BILLIONS   
   > would be a laugh riot.   
      
   I would think that taking down a usefull tool just for shitz and giggles not   
   to be worth my time   
      
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   > 6) Whether you consider a temporary close of the internet or a   
   > permanent   
   >> close as being successful completion of the objective   
   >   
   > Permanence is forever, baby. :-)   
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   >   
   > 7) If need be would taking another's life and or property be something   
   > you   
   >> would consider if it was required to achieve the objective   
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   >   
   > ???? The Internet is FALSE. It is UNALIVE. It negates LIFE. Taking a   
   > life to take it out would be hypocritical. Of course, if we're talking   
   > self-defense (an argument that could be justified in many cases: earth   
   > defense, species defense, etc) then who knows. Only the Shadow ....   
      
   You either misread my point or just don't get it, iow, if needed to achieve   
   the goal would you be willing to take a life or give yours?  As a for   
   instance = You need access to a server farm as an entry point to achieve the   
   goal, the server farm is guarded by a flesh and blood guard, so would you be   
   willing if it came down to it, to take the guard out by way of taking his   
   life if he resested to the point of death?   
      
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   > 8) Would you be willing to *personally* help in the accomplishment of   
   > the   
   >> objective   
   >   
   > :-)   
      
   See above answer to #7   
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   >> 9) Would you be willing to take responsibility for the accomplishment of   
   >> the   
   >> objective   
   >   
   > Responsible to WHOM? Not any (quasi)governmental organization that   
   > allows thousands of people to die because of fanatical religious   
   > beliefs, allows millions to starve every year because of indifference,   
   > allows BILLIONS to live in abject poverty because of greed. Responsible   
   > to THEM -????   
   >   
      
   Take responsibility if caught *without* naming your co-conspirators even if   
   you were tortured to do so   
   >   
   >> 10) Finally and more to the point, WHY?   
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   >   
   > Why not? I like the dark. It's perfectly primal. If we take down   
   > industrial civilization we save the species (and all species). The   
   > inhuman, nonbiological cybernetic entities that rule us communicate   
   > through Al "never met a Buddhist monk I didn't like" Gore's Internet.   
   >   
   >   
      
   That is a better reason then what you stated earler; but still not   
   convencing.   
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   >> From the Desk of Sugien CSK   
   >>           /}   
   >> @###{ ]::::::Cyber Striker Knight::::::>   
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   >   
   > So, when are you striking? Or is that just the ASCII talking? LOL   
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