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   Technomage Hawke schrieb:   
   > Benj wrote:   
   >>>> The notion that "powerful people" want to "control distribution of   
   >>>> information" is arrant nonsense.....   
   >> Ah. "Proof by assertion" it always works for me! And your claim to   
   >> authority on this topic is?   
   >>   
   >>> It's not the "powerful" people that want to control the Internet, it's   
   >>> the hackers and their desire for control and access to resources for   
   >>> themselves.   
   >> People in government are NOT "powerful people" who do not have an   
   >> interest in controlling information and knowing what is going on out   
   >> there with their "subjects"? Gimme a break!  Just how stupid are you   
   >> people about politics?  Politics is all about POWER and knowledge is   
   >> POWER!  Since the rule in politics is "if you get away with it, there   
   >> is no crime", then using (controlling) the internet to make sure you   
   >> "get away" with whatever scam you are pulling is a given.   
   > well, there is a problem with this statement (I will detail below)   
   >> If these "powerful people" were NOT monitoring and controlling the   
   >> INTERNET, then they'd be so incompetent that they should not deserve   
   >> to rule.  Believe me the people who are in charge of things (from   
   >> government to large corporations to media to whatever) are mostly NOT   
   >> incompetent!   
   >   
   > sure they are. look at some who have been forced out in recent years (or   
   > been charged with crimes and caused economic damages). there is an old saw:   
   > people will always be promoted up to the level of their incompetence. its   
   > more often true than not.   
   >   
   > now, as for control of the internet. that is not longer possible in any   
   > ordinary sort of means. there are those of us who are technologically savvy   
   > enough to be able to bypass large chunks of the net with our out   
   > technologies and skills. if the backbone providers try to hive us off, we   
   > can just start getting together a peer ourselves across. the internet as an   
   > infrastructure is just too large for any one small group to control   
   > outrighht.   
   >   
   > there are also international considerations here. If ther US of A hives   
   > itself off from the net, there is nothing that will prevent the rest of the   
   > world from using whats left (which is rather a lot) The Chinese have   
   > already tried this and it has failed miserably (read about the failure of   
   > the 'greatfirewall of china').   
   >   
   > the point is: there is no absolute control and there will always be a way to   
   > get the information you want to where you want it.   
   >   
      
   lol some of them are really incompetent, here in germany we had the   
   leaders of the internet crime whatever force in the company i work for.   
   They talked about the protection of childs in the internet. But the same   
   people are responsible for resolving internet crimes like spammming and   
   so on. THEY ARE INCOMPETENT! They where shocked if we showed them, that   
   their IP Adress is shown in our logfiles and the hostname clearly shows   
   their office! I think you could tell them nearly everything and they   
   will believe you, because they don´t even understand what you mean by IP   
   Spoofing or something like this.   
      
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