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|    24 Jun 14 03:55:01    |
      XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.religion.mormon, soc.women       XPost: sac.politics       From: arohde@shaw.ca              SALT LAKE CITY – The Mormon church excommunicated the founder       of a prominent women's group Monday, a rare move that brings       down the harshest punishment available on an adherent who       created an organization and staged demonstrations in a push for       women to join the faith's priesthood.              The ousting of Kate Kelly marks one of the most significant       excommunications in recent church history and sends a stern       warning to others publicly challenging church practice and       forming groups around their cause, scholars who study Mormonism       say.              Excommunication is not common in the Mormon faith. Nobody has       solid numbers on how many church members are ousted each year,       but it is probably between 10,000 to 20,000, a fraction of the       15 million members worldwide, said Matt Martinich, a church       member who analyzes membership numbers with the nonprofit       Cumorah Foundation.              Kelly's former church leaders in Virginia notified her by email       after holding a disciplinary hearing Sunday and weighing the       matter overnight. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day       Saints found her guilty of apostasy, defined as repeated and       public advocacy of positions that oppose church teachings.              Kelly called the decision "exceptionally painful."              "Today is a tragic day for my family and me as we process the       many ways this will impact us, both in this life and in the       eternities," she said in a statement.              Church officials had no immediate comment Monday. Kelly's group,       Ordain Women, announced the decision Monday.              Debra Jenson, a spokeswoman for Ordain Women, said the group is       saddened but will continue to advocate.              Kelly did not attend the disciplinary hearing but sent about       1,000 letters on her behalf and held a vigil Sunday with about       200 supporters in Salt Lake City.              Kelly was one of two well-known Mormons facing excommunication.       John Dehlin, an outspoken advocate for gays and the creator of a       website that provides a forum for church members questioning       their faith, has a meeting with his stake president in Logan on       June 29 to discuss his case.              Scholars who study the religion say they are the most high-       profile examples of excommunication proceedings since 1993. That       year, the church disciplined six Mormon writers who questioned       church doctrine, ousting five and kicking out a sixth       temporarily.              Jan Shipps, a retired religion professor from Indiana who is a       non-Mormon expert on the church, said church leaders are       practicing "boundary maintenance," using Kelly and Dehlin as       examples to show people how far they can go in questioning       church practices.              Shipps said she wasn't surprised that Kelly was ousted,       considering Kelly chose not to attend the hearing or show       contriteness.              "It does more than excommunicate Kelly," Shipps said of the       decision. "It warns everybody."              Kelly said she stands behind everything she has done since       forming Ordain Women in 2013. The group advocates for gender       equality in the faith, with the ultimate goal of allowing women       in the lay clergy. Kelly insists that she has not spoken out       against church leaders or church doctrine.              Women can hold many leadership positions in church, but aren't       allowed to be bishops of congregations or presidents of stakes.       Stakes are made up of up to a dozen congregations, known as       wards. The church's highest leaders, called the Quorum of the       Twelve Apostles, are also all men.              The church says only men serve in the lay clergy as prescribed       in "the pattern set by the Savior when it comes to priesthood       ordination."              Mormon officials haven't discussed Kelly's case specifically.       They have said they are open to questions and sincere       conversations about the faith, but that some members' actions       "contradict church doctrine and lead others astray."              "In the Church, we want everyone to feel welcome, safe and       valued, and of course, there is room to ask questions," church       spokeswoman Ally Isom said. "But how we ask is just as important       as what we ask. We should not try to dictate to God what is       right for his Church."              Kelly's group drew rebukes from church leaders in April when       they marched on church property in downtown Salt Lake City's       Temple Square. The women asked to be allowed in a meeting       reserved for members of the priesthood, which includes most       males in the church who are 12 and older. Church leaders had       previously told the group they wouldn't be let in and warned       them not to disturb the faith's biannual general conference that       weekend.              http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/23/mormon-church-       excommunicates-founder-women-group/              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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