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   From: not.here@themoment.invalid.org   
      
   Le 21/07/2014 10:16, RVG a écrit :   
   > Le 21/07/2014 06:58, Siri Crews a écrit :   
   >> In article ,   
   >> RVG  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> The French Republic is the fruit of reason and universal right. So   
   >>>  was the French Resistance.   
   >>   
   >> The first republic went around murderring priests   
   >   
   > Only those called "réfractaire" who would join the royalists in the   
   > Western regions (Vendée, Brittany, parts of Normandy). The French clergy   
   > was asked to accept the general idea of the Supreme Being so as to   
   > reconcile Catholics, Protestants and Jews who, for the first time in the   
   > Christian history, had been granted citizenship.   
   >   
   >> and then anyone else that was too reasonable for the passions of the   
   >> day. That republic decayed into anarchy until Napoleon took over.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Not really: it was rather the risks of war from the surrounding   
   > monarchies, especially Austria after the execution of Marie-Antoinette.   
   >   
   >> France is on its fifth republic, and this one looks like a keeper.   
   >> Like other stable modern governments, it's less concerned with some   
   >> darn fool idealistic crusade about Reason, and more concerned with   
   >> pragmatics of actual society, including accomodating the religions of   
   >> its citizens.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Religions were never threatened: they are the threat to public sanity   
   > when they go political like in Serbia and Russia.   
   >   
   >>> course Stalin (himself an orthodox priest) created a new ruling   
   >>> class   
   >>   
   >> Are you saying Stalin killed other priests in the name of atheism to   
   >>  make himself the Russian pope?   
   >>   
   >   
   > Actually Stalin put an end to religious persecutions in 1942 because   
   > people needed some religious comfort in these times of general massacres   
   > on the part of the Germans. Then again, the Russian clergy didn't have   
   > to support absolute monarchy when people were dying of starvation and   
   > war in 1917. John of Kronstadt for example might have been a good   
   > priest, but a terribly reactionary advisor who inflamed the workers and   
   > the sailors of Kronstadt who might otherwise have supported a socialist   
   > reform (Menshevik) to turn Russia into a modern constitutional monarchy   
   > with democratic participation.   
   >   
   >> Communists made up a big part of the Resistance, which is why they   
   >> were more important after June 1941   
   >>   
   >   
   > They started earlier, as soon as June 1940 in France, including Spanish   
   > Republicans and Jews.   
   >   
      
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Tillon   
      
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