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   From: not.here@themoment.invalid.org   
      
   Le 21/07/2014 06:58, Siri Crews a écrit :   
   > In article ,   
   > RVG  wrote:   
   >   
   >> The French Republic is the fruit of reason and universal right. So   
   >>  was the French Resistance.   
   >   
   > The first republic went around murderring priests   
      
   Only those called "réfractaire" who would join the royalists in the   
   Western regions (Vendée, Brittany, parts of Normandy). The French clergy   
   was asked to accept the general idea of the Supreme Being so as to   
   reconcile Catholics, Protestants and Jews who, for the first time in the   
   Christian history, had been granted citizenship.   
      
   > and then anyone else that was too reasonable for the passions of the   
   > day. That republic decayed into anarchy until Napoleon took over.   
   >   
      
   Not really: it was rather the risks of war from the surrounding   
   monarchies, especially Austria after the execution of Marie-Antoinette.   
      
   > France is on its fifth republic, and this one looks like a keeper.   
   > Like other stable modern governments, it's less concerned with some   
   > darn fool idealistic crusade about Reason, and more concerned with   
   > pragmatics of actual society, including accomodating the religions of   
   > its citizens.   
   >   
      
   Religions were never threatened: they are the threat to public sanity   
   when they go political like in Serbia and Russia.   
      
   >> course Stalin (himself an orthodox priest) created a new ruling   
   >> class   
   >   
   > Are you saying Stalin killed other priests in the name of atheism to   
   >  make himself the Russian pope?   
   >   
      
   Actually Stalin put an end to religious persecutions in 1942 because   
   people needed some religious comfort in these times of general massacres   
   on the part of the Germans. Then again, the Russian clergy didn't have   
   to support absolute monarchy when people were dying of starvation and   
   war in 1917. John of Kronstadt for example might have been a good   
   priest, but a terribly reactionary advisor who inflamed the workers and   
   the sailors of Kronstadt who might otherwise have supported a socialist   
   reform (Menshevik) to turn Russia into a modern constitutional monarchy   
   with democratic participation.   
      
   > Communists made up a big part of the Resistance, which is why they   
   > were more important after June 1941   
   >   
      
   They started earlier, as soon as June 1940 in France, including Spanish   
   Republicans and Jews.   
      
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   compense cela.» - Arthur Schopenhauer   
      
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