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   From: chine.bleu@yahoo.com   
      
   In article ,   
    RVG  wrote:   
      
   > Axioms are not a matter of belief, there's simply no reason to disprove   
   > them.   
      
   In the context of formal systems axioms and axioms schemes are unprovable   
   statements. They cannot proven because until you have axioms you have nothing   
   no   
   statements to start a proof with.   
      
   'There's no reason to disprove them'? What are you, still high school? In   
   liberal arts? Axioms cannot be disproved because they are assumed true.   
   Inconsistent axioms lead to contradictory statements, but that means the axioms   
   are inconsistent, not disproven.   
      
   > This said they can theoretically be revoked in doubt, but first of all   
   > you also have to revoke God and the universe. Good luck !   
      
   That makes absolutely no sense. Learn logic and then try again. Take some   
   geometry courses. This time pay attention to your instructor.   
      
   > As for the universality of right, read Montesquieu.   
      
   No. Make me. (And so for all your other unsupported claims 'universality'.)   
      
   > Russia now being a theocracy shows every day the destruction of basic   
      
   How fucking stupid are you? It's not a theocracy. The Russian Orthodox does   
   not,   
   and never has had, enough power to govern the country. Putin panders to them,   
   just like he panders to nationalists and anyone else is willing to be bought   
   off, but that's not a theocracy.   
      
   > human rights in the name of moral superstition and intellectual swindle,   
   > and its name is Holy Orthodoxy.   
   >   
   > There was another possibility back when the Orthodox Church had no   
   > political power, but today reason, right and intellectual honesty is the   
      
   Yes. Just how well did Russia respect human rights when the Church had no   
   political power, say 1930 through 1990. Were those golden days of freedom and   
   dignity for all people in the Soviet Union?   
      
   > cause to defend in the name of humanity. Philosophy and science have   
   > become an act of resistance.   
      
   Oh, bloody right. Vive la guerre, mon enfant! Don't get papercuts fighting the   
   marauding hordes of Mormons kicking in your front door.   
      
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