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   From: eat_me@yahoo.com   
      
   ¡Jones <¡Jones@fubar.com> wrote in news:o3iesa1b4lu1c6fou2ifctsqo8k0vaeain@   
   4ax.com:   
      
   > On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 22:26:19 -0400, in talk.politics.guns Mr. B1ack   
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>>>>Americans are supposed to be free.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Freedom is Happiness!   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Everyone in the world has a natural right to freedom!   
   >   
   > [...]   
   >   
   >>   Hmm ... so "freedom" and "justice" and   
   >>   such are "hate words" now ???   :-)   
   >>   
   >>   You must be a "liberal" ....   
   >   
   > I do not know who wrote the first installment; I came into the   
   > discussion somewhat late.   
   >   
   > "Americans are supposed to be free." (?)  I suppose.  In general, all   
   > people should be free to do that which it is not in an over-riding   
   > social interest to prevent them from doing; many things we do every   
   > day are simply none of the government's business.  I suppose I'd agree   
   > with it; however, it's understated in that the people born in the US   
   > and have never traveled tend to believe that this is the only free   
   > country.  In reality, we'd rate about the 50th percentile in terms of   
   > human rights and freedom *if* (and only if) we abolished capital   
   > punishment; it's bad when Mexico lectures us about human rights!   
   >   
   > "Freedom is Happiness!" (?)  I'm not sure what that means.   
   >   
   > "Everyone in the world has a natural right to freedom!" (?)  Disagree.   
   > Rights and freedoms are two related, however, completely different   
   > ideas.  A freedom may be licensed or restricted by age or immigration   
   > status; a right, on the other hand, is viewed as an intrinsic property   
   > of the human being.  A freedom may be "well regulated" or qualified   
   > somehow, it is possible for a freedom to be removed; a right (in   
   > theory) must be absolute and indelible.  (I say: "in theory" because   
   > very little holds absolutely; however, that's the ideal.)  Finally,   
   > freedoms will tend to vary widely depending upon where you happen to   
   > be.  The freedoms one would enjoy in an urban environment are quite   
   > different from those one would expect in rural Alberta, for example.   
   > A right, on the other hand, must be essentially universal in that it   
   > should be recognized and interpreted the same way everyplace including   
   > across political boundaries.   
   >   
   > Jones   
   >   
      
   Another epic failure of the American education system.   
      
   --   
   There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient   
   to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an   
   easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to   
   make themselves prominent before the public.   
      
   Booker T. Washington   
      
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