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   Intelligent Party to All   
   COVID Prohibitions Should All Be Based O   
   30 Oct 20 19:54:11   
   
   XPost: soc.culture.usa, alt.politics.usa, talk.politics.theory   
   XPost: soc.rights.human, alt.politics.usa.misc   
   From: Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com   
      
   COVID prohibitions should all be based on the principles of Employee and   
   Consumer   
   protections.  Firefighters have to put their lives in danger.  The general   
   principle of employment law is the work ought not be unnecessarily dangerous,   
   painful, injurious, or unsanitary.  If people had money so they didn't have to   
   work, perhaps you could let them make their own decisions.  As they have to   
   work   
   or die, you have to stop them from being criminally exploited.  The other side   
   of   
   that coin is taking their job away, which means you have to provide them an   
   education and ability to find new employment.   
      
   As for Consumers: Advisement, Marketing, Advertising, and Product Labeling   
   should   
   be required and regulated.  Prohibition has no place for Consumers!   
      
      
   Any COVID plan has to be sustainable now.  COVID may be in here in 3 years or   
   more. There may never be a vaccine.   
      
   They're saying there's a vaccine right around the corner; they could be saying   
   that in three years.   
      
   Or does your intuition tell you there's truly a vaccine coming?   
      
   Church or no Church you have a right to congregate in a group.  You have a   
   right   
   to have a wedding, you have a right to have a funeral.  Consumer advisements,   
   and   
   employee advisements and prohibitions+, notwithstanding.   
      
   You have a right to make a new friend, and hug and more, regardless of the   
   Government's orders.  How would you meet a Spouse?   
      
   Dine-In Restaurants are an unnecessary and insane luxury.  Waiters and busboys   
   do   
   not produce Equity.  They provide a non-essential, non productive, service for   
   other's ENTERTAINMENT!   
      
      
   COVID is not going away without a vaccine.  Get a clue!  Just like in March,   
   one   
   case will spread to millions as soon as you open again!  Whatever plans you   
   have,   
   have to be sustainable!  Whenever you speak, tiny little specks of spit come   
   out   
   of your mouth.  If you don't have a mask, you are spitting in someone's face.   
   People eating dinner are spitting in one another's face!   
      
   480,000 die to cigarettes every year.  You don't hear them talking about how we   
   must reduce cigarettes deaths.   
      
   The stupidest thing, would be to be in a room, with someone you're not going to   
   talk to, for non-essential activities.  Just like the stupidest thing would be   
   to   
   chain smoke daily.   
      
   COVID is still a huge threat.   
      
   Dine-In restauranting is for wackjobs.  This includes several Governors who   
   want   
   to crackdown.   
      
   You should only be having intimate parties with your close friends.   
      
   You have every right to socialize in this country, and on earth, as a matter of   
   fact and truth, but you should do that, at your own discretion.   
      
   You know, like smoking kills.  It kills 480,000 per year.  That's 1,315 per   
   day.   
   But the COVID numbers are only so low because of the social distancing, and   
   because of the personal protective equipment, and because of the shut downs and   
   temperance of commerce.  Making people panic and take precautions is a good   
   thing,   
   but the economy is all important, and preeminent.   
      
   1,041 Americans died to COVID on Friday.  Yet that number can easily go higher   
   if   
   we're not taking precautions.   
      
      
   That is 1,041 too many, and those people didn't choose to smoke.  Maybe they   
   didn't choose to protect themselves against COVID either.  You don't have a   
   right   
   to violate someone's personal space, but you do have a right to hug someone who   
   wants to hug you.  You don't have to do so.   
      
      
   The Government does not own you.  These police, these governments, we demand   
   they   
   go to jail, if they persist in these illegal activities.  They do not have a   
   right   
   to order us.  THEY DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO GIVE ORDERS!   
      
      
   Church is not commerce, and the government has no rights, nor authority, over   
   non-commercial activities; that do not violate others.   
      
   You have a right to action.   
      
   You have a right to drive dangerously on private property, if not violating   
   others.  Any infringements to the contrary are against the law, and are a   
   crime,   
   hereby declared.   
      
      
   You do not have a right to violate social distancing nor mask wearing towards   
   those who are not willfully wanting you to come near them, nor not wear a mask   
   around them.   
      
      
   If the store says you must wear a mask, you would be trespassing not to do so.   
   The   
   government can require the store to require consumers to wear masks.  The   
   government cannot require you to wear a mask, unless you are coming within a   
   distance of someone who does not want you to.  The government does not have a   
   right to hold your dick for you.  Prohibition of drugs is a crime.  Our right   
   to   
   action is truth.  Prohibitions of possession hang on the notion that there is   
   no   
   right to possess property, and this is an abject LIE.   
      
      
   You have a right to possess property.  You don't have a right to larceny - that   
   is, intent to deprive another of stolen property.  Hence you do not have a   
   right   
   to knowingly possess stolen property.  Current statutes are supposed to be   
   based   
   on such common law, legal principles.  Not on malarkey.   
      
      
   The above is the dictates of logic and reason to the law, as far as I can see.   
   Any   
   lies by any governments to the contrary notwithstanding.  The law should be   
   clear   
   and simple and comprehensible, both in its existence, and in its reasons.   
      
      
   Do children belong to society, and not to their parents alone?  That ageism is   
   a   
   crime, and children are sovereign agents, probably ought to have been   
   recognized   
   long ago.  Are we going to recognize it immediately?   
      
   Do children have a right to go to an unregulated Church?  Are they wilful   
   participants?  Do they have the intelligence to make a choice about something   
   more   
   serious than sex, which could take their lives?  Are they wards of the State,   
   and   
   not of their parents alone?  Are they sovereigns, free to take action, without   
   their parents, and neither dependent financially, nor beholden to them?   
      
   Can you take your kids to the chain smoking Church, where the air is filled   
   thick   
   with smoke, multiple times per week?   
      
   This world, this government, makes the sadism sadder.  The government's hired   
   to   
   help us, not to fuck us up.  But fuck us up, is all it does.   
      
      
   COVID exemplifies the hardships of poverty   
      
   Socialism has merit in the first place - in times of trouble, it becomes all   
   the   
   more pertinent.   
      
   We have to figure correctly how to spend the wealth of our nation.   
      
   With low interest rates, and low inflation, there is money to print and spend.   
   The   
   National Debt number, makes no difference if the Fed is willing to buy the   
   bonds   
      
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