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   XPost: soc.rights.human, alt.politics.usa.misc   
   From: Intelligent@savetheworldmsn.com   
      
   PEOPLE AT WAR: YOU HAVE TO BE REASON, AND IF THE OTHER SIDE'S NOT REASON, BE   
   BYE-BYE AND READY TO FIGHT.   
      
      
   Do we really need NATO in the Ukraine?  Can we understand why Russia would be   
   threatened by it?   
      
   What do we want?  _The Ukraine in the EU_.   
      
      
   Do we really need the Ukraine politically in the Donbas?  Is it necessarily   
   unreasonable for the Donbas to want a separate political government?   
      
   What do we want?  The right for Ukrainians to work and reside and have equal   
   rights (and possibly political rights) and human rights in the Donbas.  Will   
   the   
   Donbas accept this?  How much do Ukrainians care if it won't?  Is this a strong   
   grievance?  Yet the Donbas may want Free Association too.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)