From: richj7@hotmail.com   
      
   Exador wrote:   
   > "Richard J"  wrote in message   
   > news:3F001C5B.9020404@hotmail.com...   
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   >>Exador wrote:   
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   >>>>>Seriously though, the whole point of domination, as I'm sure you know   
   >>>>>Richard, is that the enemy doesn't have to be eliminated, merely placed   
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   >>>in a   
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   >>>>>subjugate or limited-status class for the dominance to be complete.   
   >>>>   
   >>>You're   
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   >>>>>not seriously going to try to argue that moslems and others have the   
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   >>>same   
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   >>>   
   >>>>>opportunities in general as those who claim membership of the dominant   
   >>>>>religious class in the US  - are you?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>I've never seen a requirement for any one particular religion to be a   
   >>>>citizen, nor a disqualification for any religious background.  Yes,   
   >>>>Muslims come under greater scrutiny when coming into the nation, and   
   >>>>rightfully so.  It was Islamic extremists who attacked on 9/11, and   
   >>>>Islamic extremists are by far the majority of those who attacked US   
   >>>>interest and citizens other places.   
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   >>>I wasn't referring to those Moslems who wish to emigrate, but to those   
   >>>already in the country. For example, how many Moslems hold political   
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   > office   
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   >>>in the US?   
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   >>I don't know.  Neither do I know how may Catholics, Baptists,   
   >>Methodists, or atheists.  As far as I am aware, there are no statistics   
   >>on such.  We do not elect our officials based on some type of a   
   >>religious quota system, but on who receives the most votes in elections.   
   >>  If a Muslim runs for office and receives the most votes, he or she   
   >>will be elected.  It is that simple.   
   >>   
   >>How many head large corporations?   
   >>   
   >>Again, I don't know, and it is many times illegal for such information   
   >>to be part of the personnel folder. (Federal anti discrimination law)  I   
   >>personally know it is illegal to ask someone what faith they are on a   
   >>job application.   
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   >>  How many Moslem Judges are   
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   >>>there?   
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   >>Again, I have no way of knowing.   
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   >>  I don't have any information whatever to answer those questions,   
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   >>Exactly.  All you have is supposition.   
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   >>but   
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   >>>I strongly suspect that the common answer to all three is "bugger all".   
   >>>"So what!" you cry, Christians are under-represented in the Moslem   
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   > world,   
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   >>>which may well be true, but _your_ country proclaims itself an exemplar   
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   > of   
   >   
   >>>Democracy.   
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   >>A democracy declares gives everyone an equal chance to earn whatever   
   >>position they want.  Muslims have the same opportunity to run as do   
   >>others, the same opportunity to become businessmen as others.   
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   >>Teflon   
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   > The problem with the above statement is that in a truly democratic society,   
   > they would not only have the opportunity to run, but they would have the   
   > opportunity to win.   
      
   They do Craig.  What do you think we should do, use quotas to appoint   
   people to office where we would have representation based on the   
   percentage per capita each religion and each sect of each religion   
   represents?   
      
   If you do that, will you then farther break it down between black   
   Muslims, Middle Eastern Muslims, Asian Muslims, and Caucasian Muslims?   
   Will you then divide those ethnic groups farther by separating Sunni   
   from Shiite and Wahabbi?  How about Sufi?  The whole idea is just plain   
   silly.   
      
   Muslims and other minorities have the opportunity to run like anyone   
   else.  Like anyone else, they also have the opportunity to be defeated   
   if they cannot garner a majority of the votes cast.  I suppose Muslims   
   who run for office in a predominately Muslim neighborhood would stand a   
   pretty good chance of being elected if there were enough of their co   
   religionist registered and if they supported them.   
      
   Blacks face the same situation.  Where a majority of the voters are   
   black, they stand a better chance of being elected.  Some blacks, like   
   former Congresswoman Shirley Chisom, have wide based support from all   
   sectors, but black politicians first must gain support from their own   
   people.   
      
   The US is a land of opportunity.  That's all anyone is promised, the   
   opportunity to try to be whatever you wish to be.  There are no guarantees.   
      
   Teflon   
      
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   > Cheers,   
   > Craig   
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