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   Attila  wrote in   
   news:1otfgk51hhld7o295dps7v5reo7ho5qm52@4ax.com:   
      
   > On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 17:08:27 -0000 (UTC), Webbster   
   >  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   > <10e836b$289f0$2@dont-email.me> wrote:   
   >   
   >>Attila  wrote in   
   >>news:mlgegk9ubb6l4g9mki84acifn0mqhbf05h@4ax.com:   
   >>   
   >>> On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 03:38:37 -0000 (UTC), Webbster   
   >>>  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >>> <10e6jns$1pnhe$5@dont-email.me> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>Attila  wrote in   
   >>>>news:kh9cgkh4sge10j5ihk06qsqfvmb4ug4f92@4ax.com:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 14:53:55 -0000 (UTC), Webbster   
   >>>>>  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >>>>> <10e56u2$1atvh$1@dont-email.me> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>Attila  wrote in   
   >>>>>>news:1ejbgkpuge78rpoqgdcnc1g8v47p6q6m50@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 15:18:48 -0000 (UTC), Webbster   
   >>>>>>>  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >>>>>>> <10dvvko$3omda$6@dont-email.me> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>Klaus  Schadenfreude   
   >>>>>>>> wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>news:5oh6gklv9amsu9c2vdlb0d1l55vrb8ske7   
   >>>>>>>>@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> [Default]  Webbster  typed:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>Klaus  Schadenfreude >@gmail.com>   
   >>>>>>>>wrote   
   >>>>>>>>>>in   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>news:qm95gkpeqv5lrhbhsnauitc0kpt2ejl8oi@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cock   
   >>>>>>>>su ck   
   >>>>>>>>>>ing.dwarf.com:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> [Default]  Webbster  typed:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>Shocking footage show masked ICE agents brutally 'break   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>67-year-old   
   >>>>>>>>US   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>citizen's ribs'   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>By Athena Dawson,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>1 hours ago   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>Video captured the moment ICE agents pulled a 67-year-old   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>man from   
   >>>>>>>>his   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>car and pinned him to the ground during an immigration   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>enforcement operation in Chicago.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Excellent! Maybe next time he'll think twice about   
   >>>>>>>>>>> interfering with Federal agents rounding up and deporting   
   >>>>>>>>>>> illegal aliens.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>He wasn't interferring.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Then they wouldn't have bothered him.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>Prove that he was interferring.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Prove he wasn't.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>It's YOUR claim to prove.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> He was doing something to cause his being arrested.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>And that woman that was talking to two ICE in the middle of the   
   >>>>>>>>street when a third walked up and sprayed her directly in her   
   >>>>>>>>face. How was she interferring?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> There is talking and the there is "talking".  Not enough   
   >>>>>>> information.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>I watched the video. She was just talking, not making any   
   >>>>>>agressive moves at all.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You only saw a few seconds.  What occurred before the video   
   >>>>> was shot?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>It was  peaceful residential neighborhood until ICE showed up.   
   >>>   
   >>> Irrelevant.  If there are illegals there the government has   
   >>> the right to locate and deport them.   
   >>>   
   >>>>According to ICE, and you, they were only there to apprehend a   
   >>>>violent criminal alien.  If they knew who he was, and where to find   
   >>>>him, why didn't they arrest him elsewhere?  Why did the put children   
   >>>>at risk?   
   >>>   
   >>> They get them wherever they can find them.   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>A crowd gathered, why were they angry?  And ICE needed to use gas   
   >>>>and other crowd control?   
   >>>   
   >>> If they are in danger from the crowd, yes.  Actions such as   
   >>> blocking vehicles, throwing rocks and other missiles, and   
   >>> making threats all are valid reasons as far as I am   
   >>> concerned.   
   >>>   
   >>> I am not an attorney thus I cannot interpret the law based   
   >>> upon any formal training.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>You're not answering the questions either. WHY are middle-class   
   >>residents of a peaceful neighborhood angry at the presence and   
   >>activiies of ICE?   
   >   
   > Perhaps they have relatives or neighbors that are illegal.   
   >   
   >>After all, if ICE is actually enforcing the law, apprehending violent   
   >>criminals, it makes no damn sense for them to be angry.   
   >   
   > Sure it would if it was a relative.   
   >   
   >>   
   >>And why do they need to break people's ribs who DO agree to follow   
   >>their instructions?   
   >   
   > That would depend on their reaction.  I doubt he quietly   
   > agreed to do as he was told without argument or delay.   
   >   
      
   So if they don't jump when you say frog, it ok to break their ribs and   
   cause internal bleeding?!!  Is that how you want Law Enforcement to   
   operate?!!   
      
      
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