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   Attila  wrote in   
   news:5gksgktl7bg57jpjrtcq4n9c1msahqmd5d@4ax.com:   
      
   > On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 18:25:22 -0000 (UTC), Webbster   
   >  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   > <10eldih$21812$4@dont-email.me> wrote:   
   >   
   >>Attila  wrote in   
   >>news:q4qrgk53h13eftt435dpb16niovm2jnud0@4ax.com:   
   >>   
   >>> On Thu, 6 Nov 2025 16:39:21 -0600, The World of Is!   
   >>>  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >>>  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>Attila wrote:   
   >>>>> On Thu, 6 Nov 2025 10:27:29 -0600, The World of Is!   
   >>>>>  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Attila wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Thu, 6 Nov 2025 06:58:38 -0600, The World of Is!   
   >>>>>>>  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Attila wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2025 18:17:06 -0600, The World of Is!   
   >>>>>>>>>  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Nov 2025 04:47:35 -0000 (UTC), Webbster   
   >>>>>>>>>>>  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >>>>>>>>>>> <10ec0h7$3dg3f$1@dont-email.me> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>        Trump wants to build nuclear power plants.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>        He has chosen Westinghouse to build them.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>        He will pay Westinghouse $80 billion for the   
   projects.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>        In return he has compelled Westinghouse to pay him   
   the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>        government 20   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> percent of any “cash distributions.”   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>        Between now and the end of January 2029, the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>        government can compel   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Westinghouse to go public via an IPO, at which point the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> government will be awarded 20 percent ownership of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> company, likely making it the single largest shareholder.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> This is literally seizing the means of production - AKA   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Socialism   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Socialism takes 100% of everything in sight.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Socialism in action will be shown under the mew mayor of NY.   
   >>>>>>>>>>> As long as the city survives the experience.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> You're an alarmist. Socialism is not communism and increasing   
   >>>>>>>>>> the socialist nature is like a pH measure not an inducement to   
   >>>>>>>>>> 100% socialism. Libraries are socialist structures how are   
   they   
   >>>>>>>>>> bad?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Libraries do not produce a product for sale.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Where is the money coming from to support all of the free   
   >>>>>>>>> stuff socialism promises?  Will you work for nothing to help   
   >>>>>>>>> produce any of it?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Before you say "Tax the rich" be aware the "rich" are the   
   >>>>>>>>> one's who can easiest afford to simply pick up and move out   
   >>>>>>>>> of the tax jurisdiction.  Frequently taking their business   
   >>>>>>>>> with them.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I guess that's the point. 100% socialism means 100% tax on   
   >>>>>>>> everybody and everybody consumes free resources. There is not   
   >>>>>>>> 100% tax which means there is a long ways to go to pure   
   socialism   
   >>>>>>>> and you are getting up in the air about services that should be   
   >>>>>>>> available to everyone becoming available.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> What you describe is Communism.  "From each according to his   
   >>>>>>> ability, to each according to his need"  Which sounds good   
   >>>>>>> if you are talking about a computer run economy.  Mix in   
   >>>>>>> people and the Orwell effect quickly emerges.  "Some pigs   
   >>>>>>> are more equal than others."   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> See the USSR for a textbook example.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Why do you claim healthcare should not be available to everyone?   
   >>>>>>>> Do you consider some people to be dogs and beneath the system?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Why should the government be involved in the healthcare   
   >>>>>>> system at all beyond insuring it is not full of quacks and   
   >>>>>>> the pure food and drug laws are followed?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Because wealth is not a reliable indication of a person's merit.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Why should the government be involved with a person's merit?   
   >>>>> And what does that have to do with the subject?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>Quit being obtuse.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Being poor is a death sentence under your policies.   
   >>>   
   >>> There comes a point at which the individual must take   
   >>> responsibility for himself and not expect someone else to   
   >>> give him what he needs or thinks he needs.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>How'd that work out in the Victorian and Gilded Age?  That's great if   
   >>you're wealthy, not so great for every one else.   
   >   
   > Someone must have survived.  There are a lot of people   
   > around today.   
   >   
      
   But a lot didn't survive.   
      
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