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Attila wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 18:07:48 -0000 (UTC), Webbster
> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <10eo0tj$2obgp$4@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote in
>> news:896ugk5gbs4qj6us0qvat83galoofcpj7u@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 05:25:57 -0000 (UTC), Webbster
>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <10emk95$2c2e1$4@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>> news:obksgkhkqcfdr09k5c3enddh3un0nulur4@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 09:54:21 -0600, The World of Is!
>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 07:57:31 -0600, The World of Is!
>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 6 Nov 2025 16:39:21 -0600, The World of Is!
>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 6 Nov 2025 10:27:29 -0600, The World of Is!
>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 6 Nov 2025 06:58:38 -0600, The World of Is!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Nov 2025 18:17:06 -0600, The World of Is!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Nov 2025 04:47:35 -0000 (UTC), Webbster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message-id <10ec0h7$3dg3f$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump wants to build nuclear power plants.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He has chosen Westinghouse to build them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He will pay Westinghouse $80 billion for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In return he has compelled Westinghouse to pay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him the government 20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> percent of any “cash distributions.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Between now and the end of January 2029, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government can compel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Westinghouse to go public via an IPO, at which point the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government will be awarded 20 percent ownership of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company, likely making it the single largest
>> shareholder.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is literally seizing the means of production - AKA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Socialism
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Socialism takes 100% of everything in sight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Socialism in action will be shown under the mew mayor of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NY. As long as the city survives the experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're an alarmist. Socialism is not communism and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> increasing the socialist nature is like a pH measure not
>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inducement to 100% socialism. Libraries are socialist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structures how are they bad?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libraries do not produce a product for sale.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where is the money coming from to support all of the free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff socialism promises? Will you work for nothing to
>> help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produce any of it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before you say "Tax the rich" be aware the "rich" are the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one's who can easiest afford to simply pick up and move out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the tax jurisdiction. Frequently taking their business
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess that's the point. 100% socialism means 100% tax on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everybody and everybody consumes free resources. There is
>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100% tax which means there is a long ways to go to pure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> socialism and you are getting up in the air about services
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should be available to everyone becoming available.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What you describe is Communism. "From each according to his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability, to each according to his need" Which sounds good
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you are talking about a computer run economy. Mix in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people and the Orwell effect quickly emerges. "Some pigs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are more equal than others."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the USSR for a textbook example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you claim healthcare should not be available to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone? Do you consider some people to be dogs and beneath
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the system?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should the government be involved in the healthcare
>>>>>>>>>>>>> system at all beyond insuring it is not full of quacks and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the pure food and drug laws are followed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because wealth is not a reliable indication of a person's
>>>>>>>>>>>> merit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why should the government be involved with a person's merit?
>>>>>>>>>>> And what does that have to do with the subject?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Quit being obtuse.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Being poor is a death sentence under your policies.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There comes a point at which the individual must take
>>>>>>>>> responsibility for himself and not expect someone else to
>>>>>>>>> give him what he needs or thinks he needs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> People fall. They can get back up again in other countries. Here
>>>>>>>> they just die.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They can get up here too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a matter of chance if they get sick. People go bankrupt from
>>>>>> medical costs all the time in America. We're unique like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doubtful. Not all countries have socialized medicine.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The United States is the only wealthy, industrialized nation that does
>>>> not provide universal health care to its citizens.
>>>
>>> I am not going to argue the point. I consider the subject a
>>> personal responsibility.
>>>
>>
>> Then don't ever claim that the US is a "Chistian Nation".
>
> I have never made such a claim and I never will. The
> Treaty of Tripoli settled that.
>
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