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   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the USSR for a textbook example.   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you claim healthcare should not be available   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to everyone? Do you consider some people to be dogs   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and beneath the system?   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should the government be involved in the   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> healthcare system at all beyond insuring it is not   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> full of quacks and the pure food and drug laws are   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> followed?   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because wealth is not a reliable indication of a   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person's merit.   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should the government be involved with a person's   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit? And what does that have to do with the subject?   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Quit being obtuse.   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Being poor is a death sentence under your policies.   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> There comes a point at which the individual must take   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> responsibility for himself and not expect someone else   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> to give him what he needs or thinks he needs.   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>> People fall. They can get back up again in other   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>> countries. Here they just die.   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>> They can get up here too.   
   > >> >>>>>>>>>>   
   > >> >>>>>>>>> It's a matter of chance if they get sick. People go   
   > >> >>>>>>>>> bankrupt from medical costs all the time in America. We're   
   > >> >>>>>>>>> unique like that.   
   > >> >>>>>>>>   
   > >> >>>>>>>> Doubtful.  Not all countries have socialized medicine.   
   > >> >>>>>>>>   
   > >> >>>>>>>   
   > >> >>>>>>> The United States is the only wealthy, industrialized nation   
   > >> >>>>>>> that does not provide universal health care to its citizens.   
   > >> >>>>>>   
   > >> >>>>>> I am not going to argue the point.  I consider the subject a   
   > >> >>>>>> personal responsibility.   
   > >> >>>>>>   
   > >> >>>>>   
   > >> >>>>> Then don't ever claim that the US is a "Chistian Nation".   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>> I have never made such a claim and I never will.   The   
   > >> >>>> Treaty of Tripoli settled that.   
   > >> >>>>   
   > >> >>>  From a prominent retired surgeon:   
   > >> >>>   
   > >> >>> Every American has the right to keep their body healthy without   
   > >> >>> going broke. Every American should have access to public health   
   > >> >>> services in their own communities and quality local hospitals.   
   > >> >>>   
   > >> >>> The obscenely high cost of health care in America is caused by   
   > >> >>> the insatiable greed of corporate middlemen who get rich by   
   > >> >>> standing in between you and the healthcare your doctors say you   
   > >> >>> need and using mountains of costly and unnecessary paperwork to   
   > >> >>> hide the fact that they are strip-mining the Medicare trust fund   
   > >> >>> and defrauding the American people.   
   > >> >>>   
   > >> >>> By finally driving the greed and waste out of the system, we can   
   > >> >>> save enough to not just lower costs for everyone, but to add   
   > >> >>> much-needed coverage for dental, hearing and vision.   
   > >> >>   
   > >> >>   
   > >> >>   
   > >> >>   Bravo. Exactly right.   
   > >> >>   
   > >> >>   America has the most expensive   
   > >> >> health care system in the world   
   > >> >> solely because insurance companies   
   > >> >> stand in between the patients and   
   > >> >> doctors extracting huge profits   
   > >> >> for themselves. No country has ever   
   > >> >> ditched their public health system   
   > >> >> in favor of the "pay up or die"   
   > >> >> American system.   
   > >> >>   
   > >> > AND, conservaturds claim our health system is best in the world   
   > >> > while people live longer in other countries and we are near the   
   > >> > bottom in infant and maternal mortality.  (to conservaturds:   
   > >> > infant & maternal mortality means more of our mothers and infants   
   > >> > die than in other countries)   
   > >> >   
   > >>   
   > >>   
   > >> Americans subsidize health care for Israelis.   
   > >>   
   > >> Americans subsidize health care for Argentiinians.   
   > >>   
   > >> But Americans subsidizing health care for Americans?   
   > >   
   > > And you believe that money actually goes for that?   
   >   
   >   
   >    Of course it does, don't be silly.   
   >   
   Of course you would believe that.   
      
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