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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you claim healthcare should not be available   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to everyone? Do you consider some people to be dogs   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and beneath the system?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should the government be involved in the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> healthcare system at all beyond insuring it is not   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> full of quacks and the pure food and drug laws are   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> followed?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because wealth is not a reliable indication of a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person's merit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should the government be involved with a person's   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit? And what does that have to do with the subject?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quit being obtuse.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being poor is a death sentence under your policies.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There comes a point at which the individual must take   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsibility for himself and not expect someone else   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to give him what he needs or thinks he needs.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People fall. They can get back up again in other   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countries. Here they just die.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> They can get up here too.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a matter of chance if they get sick. People go   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> bankrupt from medical costs all the time in America. We're   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> unique like that.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtful.  Not all countries have socialized medicine.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> The United States is the only wealthy, industrialized nation   
   >>>>>>>>>>> that does not provide universal health care to its citizens.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> I am not going to argue the point.  I consider the subject a   
   >>>>>>>>>> personal responsibility.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Then don't ever claim that the US is a "Chistian Nation".   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I have never made such a claim and I never will.   The   
   >>>>>>>> Treaty of Tripoli settled that.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   From a prominent retired surgeon:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Every American has the right to keep their body healthy without   
   >>>>>>> going broke. Every American should have access to public health   
   >>>>>>> services in their own communities and quality local hospitals.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> The obscenely high cost of health care in America is caused by   
   >>>>>>> the insatiable greed of corporate middlemen who get rich by   
   >>>>>>> standing in between you and the healthcare your doctors say you   
   >>>>>>> need and using mountains of costly and unnecessary paperwork to   
   >>>>>>> hide the fact that they are strip-mining the Medicare trust fund   
   >>>>>>> and defrauding the American people.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> By finally driving the greed and waste out of the system, we can   
   >>>>>>> save enough to not just lower costs for everyone, but to add   
   >>>>>>> much-needed coverage for dental, hearing and vision.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    Bravo. Exactly right.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    America has the most expensive   
   >>>>>> health care system in the world   
   >>>>>> solely because insurance companies   
   >>>>>> stand in between the patients and   
   >>>>>> doctors extracting huge profits   
   >>>>>> for themselves. No country has ever   
   >>>>>> ditched their public health system   
   >>>>>> in favor of the "pay up or die"   
   >>>>>> American system.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> AND, conservaturds claim our health system is best in the world   
   >>>>> while people live longer in other countries and we are near the   
   >>>>> bottom in infant and maternal mortality.  (to conservaturds:   
   >>>>> infant & maternal mortality means more of our mothers and infants   
   >>>>> die than in other countries)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Americans subsidize health care for Israelis.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Americans subsidize health care for Argentiinians.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> But Americans subsidizing health care for Americans?   
   >>>   
   >>> And you believe that money actually goes for that?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>     Of course it does, don't be silly.   
   >>   
   > Of course you would believe that.   
   >   
   I pay any price to get my insurance. Not verybody has that luxury.   
      
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