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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about services that should be available to everyone   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming available.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What you describe is Communism.  "From each   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to his ability, to each according to his   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need"  Which   
   >>>>> sounds   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good if you are talking about a computer run   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy. Mix in people and the Orwell effect quickly   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerges. "Some pigs are more equal than others."   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the USSR for a textbook example.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you claim healthcare should not be available   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to everyone? Do you consider some people to be dogs   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and beneath the system?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should the government be involved in the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> healthcare system at all beyond insuring it is not   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> full of quacks and the pure food and drug laws are   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> followed?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because wealth is not a reliable indication of a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person's merit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should the government be involved with a person's   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit? And what does that have to do with the subject?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quit being obtuse.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being poor is a death sentence under your policies.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There comes a point at which the individual must take   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsibility for himself and not expect someone else   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to give him what he needs or thinks he needs.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People fall. They can get back up again in other   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countries. Here they just die.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They can get up here too.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a matter of chance if they get sick. People go   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankrupt from medical costs all the time in America. We're   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> unique like that.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtful.  Not all countries have socialized medicine.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> The United States is the only wealthy, industrialized nation   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> that does not provide universal health care to its citizens.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> I am not going to argue the point.  I consider the subject a   
   >>>>>>>>>>> personal responsibility.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Then don't ever claim that the US is a "Chistian Nation".   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> I have never made such a claim and I never will.   The   
   >>>>>>>>> Treaty of Tripoli settled that.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   From a prominent retired surgeon:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Every American has the right to keep their body healthy without   
   >>>>>>>> going broke. Every American should have access to public health   
   >>>>>>>> services in their own communities and quality local hospitals.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> The obscenely high cost of health care in America is caused by   
   >>>>>>>> the insatiable greed of corporate middlemen who get rich by   
   >>>>>>>> standing in between you and the healthcare your doctors say you   
   >>>>>>>> need and using mountains of costly and unnecessary paperwork to   
   >>>>>>>> hide the fact that they are strip-mining the Medicare trust fund   
   >>>>>>>> and defrauding the American people.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> By finally driving the greed and waste out of the system, we can   
   >>>>>>>> save enough to not just lower costs for everyone, but to add   
   >>>>>>>> much-needed coverage for dental, hearing and vision.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>    Bravo. Exactly right.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>    America has the most expensive   
   >>>>>>> health care system in the world   
   >>>>>>> solely because insurance companies   
   >>>>>>> stand in between the patients and   
   >>>>>>> doctors extracting huge profits   
   >>>>>>> for themselves. No country has ever   
   >>>>>>> ditched their public health system   
   >>>>>>> in favor of the "pay up or die"   
   >>>>>>> American system.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>> AND, conservaturds claim our health system is best in the world   
   >>>>>> while people live longer in other countries and we are near the   
   >>>>>> bottom in infant and maternal mortality.  (to conservaturds:   
   >>>>>> infant & maternal mortality means more of our mothers and infants   
   >>>>>> die than in other countries)   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Americans subsidize health care for Israelis.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Americans subsidize health care for Argentiinians.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> But Americans subsidizing health care for Americans?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And you believe that money actually goes for that?   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>     Of course it does, don't be silly.   
   >>>   
   >> Of course you would believe that.   
   >>   
   > I pay any price to get my insurance. Not verybody has that luxury.   
      
   i pay nothing and get everything   
      
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