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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tax on everybody and everybody consumes free   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources. There is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> not   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100% tax which means there is a long ways to go to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pure socialism and you are getting up in the air   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about services that should be available to everyone   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming available.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What you describe is Communism.  "From each   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to his ability, to each according to his   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need"  Which   
   >>>>>>> sounds   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good if you are talking about a computer run   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy. Mix in people and the Orwell effect quickly   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerges. "Some pigs are more equal than others."   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the USSR for a textbook example.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you claim healthcare should not be available   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to everyone? Do you consider some people to be dogs   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and beneath the system?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should the government be involved in the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> healthcare system at all beyond insuring it is not   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> full of quacks and the pure food and drug laws are   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> followed?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because wealth is not a reliable indication of a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person's merit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should the government be involved with a person's   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit? And what does that have to do with the subject?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quit being obtuse.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being poor is a death sentence under your policies.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There comes a point at which the individual must take   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsibility for himself and not expect someone else   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to give him what he needs or thinks he needs.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People fall. They can get back up again in other   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countries. Here they just die.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They can get up here too.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a matter of chance if they get sick. People go   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankrupt from medical costs all the time in America. We're   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unique like that.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtful.  Not all countries have socialized medicine.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The United States is the only wealthy, industrialized nation   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that does not provide universal health care to its citizens.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not going to argue the point.  I consider the subject a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> personal responsibility.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Then don't ever claim that the US is a "Chistian Nation".   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> I have never made such a claim and I never will.   The   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Treaty of Tripoli settled that.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   From a prominent retired surgeon:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Every American has the right to keep their body healthy without   
   >>>>>>>>>> going broke. Every American should have access to public health   
   >>>>>>>>>> services in their own communities and quality local hospitals.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> The obscenely high cost of health care in America is caused by   
   >>>>>>>>>> the insatiable greed of corporate middlemen who get rich by   
   >>>>>>>>>> standing in between you and the healthcare your doctors say you   
   >>>>>>>>>> need and using mountains of costly and unnecessary paperwork to   
   >>>>>>>>>> hide the fact that they are strip-mining the Medicare trust fund   
   >>>>>>>>>> and defrauding the American people.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> By finally driving the greed and waste out of the system, we can   
   >>>>>>>>>> save enough to not just lower costs for everyone, but to add   
   >>>>>>>>>> much-needed coverage for dental, hearing and vision.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>    Bravo. Exactly right.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>    America has the most expensive   
   >>>>>>>>> health care system in the world   
   >>>>>>>>> solely because insurance companies   
   >>>>>>>>> stand in between the patients and   
   >>>>>>>>> doctors extracting huge profits   
   >>>>>>>>> for themselves. No country has ever   
   >>>>>>>>> ditched their public health system   
   >>>>>>>>> in favor of the "pay up or die"   
   >>>>>>>>> American system.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> AND, conservaturds claim our health system is best in the world   
   >>>>>>>> while people live longer in other countries and we are near the   
   >>>>>>>> bottom in infant and maternal mortality.  (to conservaturds:   
   >>>>>>>> infant & maternal mortality means more of our mothers and infants   
   >>>>>>>> die than in other countries)   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Americans subsidize health care for Israelis.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Americans subsidize health care for Argentiinians.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> But Americans subsidizing health care for Americans?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> And you believe that money actually goes for that?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>     Of course it does, don't be silly.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> Of course you would believe that.   
   >>>>   
   >>> I pay any price to get my insurance. Not verybody has that luxury.   
   >>   
   >> i pay nothing and get everything   
   >   
   > You're a ding dong. Welcome to my killfile.   
      
   is that also in your apartment that you never leave   
      
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