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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy. Mix in people and the Orwell effect quickly   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emerges. "Some pigs are more equal than others."   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the USSR for a textbook example.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you claim healthcare should not be available   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to everyone? Do you consider some people to be dogs   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and beneath the system?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should the government be involved in the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> healthcare system at all beyond insuring it is not   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> full of quacks and the pure food and drug laws are   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> followed?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because wealth is not a reliable indication of a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person's merit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should the government be involved with a person's   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit? And what does that have to do with the subject?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quit being obtuse.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being poor is a death sentence under your policies.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There comes a point at which the individual must take   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsibility for himself and not expect someone else   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to give him what he needs or thinks he needs.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People fall. They can get back up again in other   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countries. Here they just die.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They can get up here too.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a matter of chance if they get sick. People go   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankrupt from medical costs all the time in America. We're   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unique like that.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtful.  Not all countries have socialized medicine.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> The United States is the only wealthy, industrialized nation   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> that does not provide universal health care to its citizens.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I am not going to argue the point.  I consider the subject a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> personal responsibility.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Then don't ever claim that the US is a "Chistian Nation".   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> I have never made such a claim and I never will.   The   
   >>>>>>>>>> Treaty of Tripoli settled that.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   From a prominent retired surgeon:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Every American has the right to keep their body healthy without   
   >>>>>>>>> going broke. Every American should have access to public health   
   >>>>>>>>> services in their own communities and quality local hospitals.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> The obscenely high cost of health care in America is caused by   
   >>>>>>>>> the insatiable greed of corporate middlemen who get rich by   
   >>>>>>>>> standing in between you and the healthcare your doctors say you   
   >>>>>>>>> need and using mountains of costly and unnecessary paperwork to   
   >>>>>>>>> hide the fact that they are strip-mining the Medicare trust fund   
   >>>>>>>>> and defrauding the American people.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> By finally driving the greed and waste out of the system, we can   
   >>>>>>>>> save enough to not just lower costs for everyone, but to add   
   >>>>>>>>> much-needed coverage for dental, hearing and vision.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>    Bravo. Exactly right.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>    America has the most expensive   
   >>>>>>>> health care system in the world   
   >>>>>>>> solely because insurance companies   
   >>>>>>>> stand in between the patients and   
   >>>>>>>> doctors extracting huge profits   
   >>>>>>>> for themselves. No country has ever   
   >>>>>>>> ditched their public health system   
   >>>>>>>> in favor of the "pay up or die"   
   >>>>>>>> American system.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> AND, conservaturds claim our health system is best in the world   
   >>>>>>> while people live longer in other countries and we are near the   
   >>>>>>> bottom in infant and maternal mortality.  (to conservaturds:   
   >>>>>>> infant & maternal mortality means more of our mothers and infants   
   >>>>>>> die than in other countries)   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Americans subsidize health care for Israelis.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Americans subsidize health care for Argentiinians.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> But Americans subsidizing health care for Americans?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> And you believe that money actually goes for that?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>     Of course it does, don't be silly.   
   >>>>   
   >>> Of course you would believe that.   
   >>>   
   >> I pay any price to get my insurance. Not verybody has that luxury.   
   >   
   > i pay nothing and get everything   
      
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