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Attila wrote in
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> On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 15:49:52 -0000 (UTC), Webbster
> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <10f4umv$28bjj$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>>Attila wrote in
>>news:4babhkpss4k8o6mrgh953i4iba3v784245@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 05:08:33 -0000 (UTC), Webbster
>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <10f3p4g$1uaku$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Attila wrote in
>>>>news:0qo9hktprgrjetf9j3hhsl6dmnq567cgu8@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 12 Nov 2025 19:22:52 -0000 (UTC), Webbster
>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <10f2mqb$1ljsg$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Attila wrote in
>>>>>>news:6dm8hkpapu62f49elsgbjap77atdfuihb4@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Nov 2025 05:11:49 -0000 (UTC), Webbster
>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <10f14ul$17mh3$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Attila wrote in
>>>>>>>>news:ebk7hkhd9g7o4n52hibcgtq8s1htetr82t@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 15:12:10 -0600, Elendil
>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 17:55:55 -0000 (UTC), Webbster
>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>> <10evtba$t3ti$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:e816hkdgguq4e8nr14mkmnfqe1k9jnpvv3@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 05:11:22 -0000 (UTC), Webbster
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> message-id <10eughq$gjke$4@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slothe wrote in news:10etfju$2iof$3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10 Nov 2025, Elendil posted
>>some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:mndto4Fdc6dU1@mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 04:57:07 -0000 (UTC), Webbster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with
>>message-
>>>>id
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <10errb3$3p17t$4@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ucd2hk9rvqd2p3quh88me2uqmqok91iaa8@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 17:25:13 -0000 (UTC), Webbster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism with
>>>>message-
>>>>>>id
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <10eqipp$3dsen$4@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And your opinion is obviously that if one is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rich
>>>>they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should just die.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not everyone who pays their debts is rich.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if that debt is more than they will make in their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lifetime?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are no guarantees in life.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bureaucracy is the death of any achievement." - Albert
>>>>>>Einstein
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to open your eyes to find them I guess.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's a little bit of luck in life. Most people find
>>their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wealth through hard work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most wealthy people inherited a large sum and could build
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that original large sum came from less than honest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> activities,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would depend on your definition of wealthy and how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wealthy you need to be in order to pay your bills.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Including medical.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really have a problem understanding the term
>>>>>>>>>>>> "wealthy people"?!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. To someone living on the street a hundred thousand
>>>>>>>>>>> dollars would probably make them wealthy. To Musk a hundred
>>>>>>>>>>> million would be pocket change.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is much like "fair share", which I am still waiting for
>>>>>>>>>>> someone to define. Whenever I ask for a definition I am
>>>>>>>>>>> ignored.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Can't you use common sense? The signs are all over that people
>>>>think
>>>>>>>>>>their fair share is housing and food on the table for a job in
>>>>>>today's
>>>>>>>>>>America.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are saying a 'fair share' is free housing and free food
>>>>>>>>> for everyone? Who is going to pay for this?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>As AI and robots take over, who's going to have a job to earn
>>money?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The same was said about the horse and wagon. Every advance
>>>>>>> puts someone out of work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Buggy whips anyone? How about cotton pickers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do tell us about those new upccoming jobs. Horse and wagons were
>>>>>>replaced by automobiles - which brought a lot of jobs. Do tell us
>>what
>>>>>>jobs come next for those displayed by AI and robots.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea just as no one expected autos to replace
>>>>> horses when they were a rich man's plaything. I do know it
>>>>> is going to take training to get any of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand there is a national shortage of trained trades
>>>>> and crafts people. Plumbers, electricians, AC specialists,
>>>>> carpenters and the like. And an excellent income can be had
>>>>> by someone with the proper training. They will not go to
>>>>> anyone who rejects education and looks down on anyone who
>>>>> tries to get one.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also do know job destruction has never worked as a reason
>>>>> to not progress into something new.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>A lot of the Trades will go away too.
>>>
>>> And a lot will not.
>>>
>>
>>And there will be more applicants than openings. In EVERY senario you
>>find massive numbers of unemployed and unemployables. What are you
>>going to do - let them starve? They will turn to crime before that.
>
> There are always jobs available for those who will take the
> training. At the moment there 10,000 ATC openings for
> example.
so you think they can just grab anybody off the street and make them an
ATC? And while there are ATC jobs available now, will they still be
available when AI takes over?
>
> The government cannot be everything to everyone. The idea
> that "the rich" can be made to pay for everything is
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