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   From: horchata12839@gmail.com   
      
   Attila wrote:   
   > On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 15:49:52 -0000 (UTC), Webbster   
   >  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   > <10f4umv$28bjj$3@dont-email.me> wrote:   
   >   
   >> Attila  wrote in   
   >> news:4babhkpss4k8o6mrgh953i4iba3v784245@4ax.com:   
   >>   
   >>> On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 05:08:33 -0000 (UTC), Webbster   
   >>>  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >>> <10f3p4g$1uaku$1@dont-email.me> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> Attila  wrote in   
   >>>> news:0qo9hktprgrjetf9j3hhsl6dmnq567cgu8@4ax.com:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Wed, 12 Nov 2025 19:22:52 -0000 (UTC), Webbster   
   >>>>>  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >>>>> <10f2mqb$1ljsg$3@dont-email.me> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Attila  wrote in   
   >>>>>> news:6dm8hkpapu62f49elsgbjap77atdfuihb4@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Nov 2025 05:11:49 -0000 (UTC), Webbster   
   >>>>>>>  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >>>>>>> <10f14ul$17mh3$3@dont-email.me> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Attila  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>> news:ebk7hkhd9g7o4n52hibcgtq8s1htetr82t@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 15:12:10 -0600, Elendil   
   >>>>>>>>>  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 17:55:55 -0000 (UTC), Webbster   
   >>>>>>>>>>>  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >>>>>>>>>>> <10evtba$t3ti$2@dont-email.me> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Attila  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> news:e816hkdgguq4e8nr14mkmnfqe1k9jnpvv3@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 05:11:22 -0000 (UTC), Webbster   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> <10eughq$gjke$4@dont-email.me> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> slothe  wrote in news:10etfju$2iof$3   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> @nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10 Nov 2025, Elendil  posted   
   >> some   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:mndto4Fdc6dU1@mid.individual.net:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 04:57:07 -0000 (UTC), Webbster   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  in alt.atheism with   
   >> message-   
   >>>> id   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <10errb3$3p17t$4@dont-email.me> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:ucd2hk9rvqd2p3quh88me2uqmqok91iaa8@4ax.com:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 17:25:13 -0000 (UTC), Webbster   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  in alt.atheism with   
   >>>> message-   
   >>>>>> id   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <10eqipp$3dsen$4@dont-email.me> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And your opinion is obviously that if one is not rich   
   >>>> they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should just die.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not everyone who pays their debts is rich.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if that debt is more than they will make in their   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lifetime?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are no guarantees in life.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bureaucracy is the death of any achievement." - Albert   
   >>>>>> Einstein   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to open your eyes to find them I guess.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's a little bit of luck in life.  Most people find   
   >> their   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wealth through hard work.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most wealthy people inherited a large sum and could build on   
   >>>> it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that original large sum came from less than honest   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> activities,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> That would depend on your definition of wealthy and how   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> wealthy you need to be in order to pay your bills. Including   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> medical.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really have a problem understanding the term "wealthy   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> people"?!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Yes.  To someone living on the street a hundred thousand   
   >>>>>>>>>>> dollars would probably make them wealthy.  To Musk a hundred   
   >>>>>>>>>>> million would be pocket change.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> That is much like "fair share", which I am still waiting for   
   >>>>>>>>>>> someone to define.  Whenever I ask for a definition I am   
   >>>>>>>>>>> ignored.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Can't you use common sense? The signs are all over that people   
   >>>> think   
   >>>>>>>>>> their fair share is housing and food on the table for a job in   
   >>>>>> today's   
   >>>>>>>>>> America.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> You are saying a 'fair share'  is free housing and free food   
   >>>>>>>>> for everyone?  Who is going to pay for this?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> As AI and robots take over, who's going to have a job to earn   
   >> money?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> The same was said about the horse and wagon. Every advance   
   >>>>>>> puts someone out of work.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Buggy whips anyone?  How about cotton pickers?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Do tell us about those new upccoming jobs.  Horse and wagons were   
   >>>>>> replaced by automobiles - which brought a lot of jobs. Do tell us   
   >> what   
   >>>>>> jobs come next for those displayed by AI and robots.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I have no idea just as no one expected autos to replace   
   >>>>> horses when they were a rich man's plaything.  I do know it   
   >>>>> is going to take training to get any of them.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I understand there is a national shortage of trained trades   
   >>>>> and crafts people.  Plumbers, electricians, AC specialists,   
   >>>>> carpenters and the like.  And an excellent income can be had   
   >>>>> by someone with the proper training.  They will not go to   
   >>>>> anyone who rejects education and looks down on anyone who   
   >>>>> tries to get one.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I also do know job destruction has never worked as a reason   
   >>>>> to not progress into something new.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> A lot of the Trades will go away too.   
   >>>   
   >>> And a lot will not.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> And there will be more applicants than openings.  In EVERY senario you   
   >> find massive numbers of unemployed and unemployables. What are you going   
   >> to do - let them starve?  They will turn to crime before that.   
   >   
   > There are always jobs available for those who will take the   
   > training.  At the moment there 10,000 ATC openings for   
   > example.   
   >   
   > The government cannot be everything to everyone.  The idea   
   > that "the rich" can be made to pay for everything is   
   > economic nonsense.   
   >   
   > I am still waiting for a definition of "fair share".   
   >   
   What about a flat income tax? Maybe 20% for everyone? Then "the rich"   
   would pay their "fair share."   
      
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