XPost: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn, misc.legal   
   From: jabriol@sparta.org   
      
   "Varicose Brain"  wrote in message   
   news:hrf9lv0puv3hsc5npmmpp5l9tuu42b9uta@4ax.com...   
   > On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:48:10 GMT, "jabriol"    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >   
   > >> Yes, winning converts is more important than feeding them, getting   
   > >> medical supplies to them, educating them with the skills to find jobs,   
   > >> etc,.   
   > >>   
   > >   
   > >so you expect the watchtower to do, what regular institutions in the USA   
   > >fail to do with taxpayer's money?   
   >   
   > What regular institutions do is a non-sequitur. I expect the WT to   
   > tell the truth about their operations. Fat chance of that happening,   
   > however.   
   >   
   >   
   > >> >They  have   
   > >> >assisted greatly in the medical field and fought for personal   
   liberties   
   > >in   
   > >> >this country and in others.   
   > >>   
   > >> For example?   
   > >   
   > >as Carol said.. I have a gizillions posts on the subject.. look them up..   
   > >like the post about donating books in Nigeria etc..   
   >   
   >   
   > ...gizillions of posts, with no references.   
      
   and you looked them all up?..golly you better than PB   
      
   >   
   > >> ...but you fail to list any details about this program. Do you know   
   > >> that such a program exists, or are you just being a sock puppet that   
   > >> spews what you're told by the WT without question?   
   > >   
   > >ask them the next time they knock at your door.   
   >   
   > I'm not asking them. I'm asking you. You're the one that mentioned it.   
   >   
      
   ask them.. or are you afraid that you may fall under their mind controlling   
   trance?   
      
   >   
   > >> >it is all religious based, however.. so   
   > >> >don't be surprise to read Carol twisted rants and lies..   
   > >> >Because she hate men, and envy the success the WTBS and JW's in   
   general   
   > >> >have..   
   > >>   
   > >> Gee, I'm a man, and Carol had never showed any hatred toward me in   
   > >> this newsgroup. Why do you suppose that is?   
   > >   
   > >birds of the same feather......   
   >   
   > So, you make a statement that Carol hates all men, and I point out   
   > your faulty reasoning, and all you can do is come up with a worn out   
   > cliche.   
      
   worn out cliches are very truthful...   
      
   >   
   >   
   > >> I guess when you're buried in WT "truth" anything to the contrary will   
   > >> appear to be a lie.   
   > >>   
   > >> >Before you reply, you may want to ask her a few things or only one.   
   > >> >_Where does she get her information?   
   > >>   
   > >> Experience.   
   > >   
   > >not good enought.. not even a petite court hearing..   
   > >   
   > >> >_Can her information be verified?   
   > >>   
   > >> Form former JWs that can corroborate it.   
   > >   
   > >yup and republican verified all the crimes comitted from clinton as well.   
   >   
   > Like I said earlier, if any facts or evidence are presented that are   
   > contrary to your beliefs, you'll find some way to reject it.   
      
      
   same could be said about anti-jw's... stauts quo.   
      
   >   
   > >> >_Is the information up to date?   
   > >>   
   > >> Since when does living your life in a coercive cult have to do with   
   > >> such an experience being "up to date."   
   > >   
   > >Carol was never a JW.. hanging around with them, doesnt make her one..   
   > >in a court of  law, you can bring in two experts, one from the defense,   
   the   
   > >other from the prosecutor.. both have experiance and are licensed in   
   thier   
   > >field.. the conclucion is not based on thier "experiance"   
   >   
   > If your going to talk about "expert" testimony in a court of law, I'll   
   > give you some information about why lawyers won't seat a potential   
   > juror that is a magician or has some sort of background in science.   
   >   
      
   please do...   
      
   > >> >_What is the purpose of her post?   
   > >>   
   > >> If one lurker out there somewhere sees the light and starts thinking   
   > >> for themselves, the purpose has been served.   
   > >   
   > >what light?..   
   >   
   > If you have to ask that question, you're dumber than I thought.   
      
   If you cant answer the question, your are in need of basic educational   
   skills.   
      
   >   
   > >> Good standing!?! GUMAFB! It might be so in countries where people are   
   > >> poorly educated, and therefore gullible, but in countries where people   
   > >> have at least some brain cells, the JWs are associated with the sound   
   > >> of slamming doors.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >so you call the USA a poorly educated country eh?   
   > >   
   > >guess you havent read any of my gizillians posts were thousands became   
   JW's   
   > >this summer.. Poor dumb america..tsk tsk...   
   >   
   > ...and you never did answer my post about how many walked out of the   
   > Kingdom Halls, never to return, once they got fed up with the elders   
   > dictating every aspect of how to live their lives.   
      
   don't have that number, but feel free to post it, all with logitical   
   refrences if you have any..   
      
   >   
   >   
   > >> Although I wasn't raised a JW, I may as well have been, since they   
   > >> exhibit many of the same coercive controls that I had to live through   
   > >> when I was growing up. The evidence? I lived it! If you don't want to   
   > >> accept that, that's your problem.   
   > >   
      
   watchin the t.v. series friends 5 days a week, dosent mean, that this is how   
   yuppie america lives...   
      
      
   > >   
   > >see my note about evidence, and hanging around JW's...   
   > >you are repeating yourself.....   
   >   
   > Like you just did?   
   >   
   > >> >Facts about Carol:   
   > >> >   
   > >> >*She can never present evidence.   
   > >>   
   > >> I'm sure nothing she posts would satisfy your requirements.   
   > >   
   > >youre right.. since she has been caught lying and spreading   
   misinformation..   
   > >that hurts anyone credibility.. and hers is about zero at this point.   
   >   
   > Based on my experiences, growing up in a cult-like environment, I can   
   > corroborate what Carol says. You refusal to accept this does not   
   > change the facts.   
      
      
   I do not know how you grew up. But I was raised as a JW.. yet none of my   
   parent were JW's.. so I never been coerce.. interesting..   
   explain to me what is a cult enviroment.. since my parents celebrated the   
   holidays   
   and took me along with them... In fact, they did not care anything about my   
   religious choice, becsause they were busy with enjoying life as they see   
   fit, and had no problem with m,y religion as long as I respected the rules   
   of the house, which include family outing and every latin festivities under   
   the sun..   
      
   In fact me being a baptized JW, I even wen to colleage without even a mumur   
   from my congregational elders..   
      
   so please explain to me the coercive enviroment.. I am not familiar with it.   
      
   >   
   > >> Out of curiosity, I did a Google search on that exact phrase as used   
   > >> in this newsgroup. The above quote is the only time it was ever used.   
   > >> I guess that makes you a liar, doesn't it?   
   > >   
   > >cut the crap.. she use it all the time...which make me a truthsayer :-)   
   >   
   > Not only are you a liar, you're so narrow-minded that you actually   
   > believe your lies.   
      
      
   nah you have me confuse with Carol...   
   >   
   > >> >*She always hide her identity. And change her header to avoid   
   killfiles.   
   > >>   
   > >> Nothing wrong with that.   
   > >   
   > >ofcourse there is.. Tally got shutdown.. as least his didnt hide his   
   name..   
   > >   
   > >> >*She cuts and paste, rewrite postings, and will even forge e-mail   
      
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