XPost: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn   
   From: no-charity@the-wickedWTs.net   
      
   "Varicose Brain"  wrote in message   
   news:1s38lvk7v9b06nbod1tu6cld3a2bbhvje6@4ax.com...   
   > On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 02:22:22 GMT, "jabriol"    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >   
   > >The watchtower is themselves a non-profit corporation who accept   
   donations.   
   > >They have various programs, that help people directly, whether jw's or   
   not.   
   >   
   > Name them!   
      
   ##  They don't have ANY!  I suggested back in the 80s that we do a clothing   
   drive for the Veterans at the Vet's Hosp in Murfreesboro here in TN.  Not   
   one stepped forward to help.  NOT ONE!  All I got were WT/GB/JW excuses.  I   
   guess they didn't want to set a example......   didn't want to get their   
   people's attention away for the WTS.   
      
   > >Just like other organization, they concentrate on  a specific theme   
   > >...Biblical education and their funds are concentrated there.   
   >   
   > Yes, winning converts is more important than feeding them, getting   
   > medical supplies to them, educating them with the skills to find jobs,   
   > etc,.   
      
   ##  You got that right!  That's all they concentrate on, all they think   
   about.... it's DRUMMED into their heads in every WT magazine, every book,   
   every meeting they make (at least 4 a week and 2 hours on Sunday).  Never a   
   word of charity or volunteerism mentioned.   
      
   > >They  have   
   > >assisted greatly in the medical field and fought for personal liberties   
   in   
   > >this country and in others.   
   >   
   > For example?   
      
   ##  They don't donate blood, don't volunteer to read to the bedridden, they   
   don't go to nursing homes or prisons like other religions do.   
      
   > >they have an educational program for those who   
   > >do not know how to read or write..   
   >   
   > ...but you fail to list any details about this program. Do you know   
   > that such a program exists, or are you just being a sock puppet that   
   > spews what you're told by the WT without question?   
      
   ##  I'v never heard of or read about these programs.   
      
   > >it is all religious based, however.. so   
   > >don't be surprise to read Carol twisted rants and lies..   
   > >Because she hate men, and envy the success the WTBS and JW's in general   
   > >have..   
   >   
   > Gee, I'm a man, and Carol had never showed any hatred toward me in   
   > this newsgroup. Why do you suppose that is?   
      
   ##  Jabbers makes that claim because I don't believe in the way the JWs   
   expect their women to behave.  They're expected to be quiet, obedient, meek,   
   subservient to men, in other words the opposite of today's liberated women.   
   Jabber's sees that as a threat to JW women who sometimes post here.  It   
   makes them THINK and WONDER.  That's highly discouraged in this sect/cult.   
   I have no reason to dislike men.   
      
   > >so when you read her reply to this post remember this   
   > >Carol has been caught in various  vicious lies, with intent to slander   
   JW's   
      
      
   > I guess when you're buried in WT "truth" anything to the contrary will   
   > appear to be a lie.   
   >   
   > >Before you reply, you may want to ask her a few things or only one.   
   > >_Where does she get her information?   
   >   
   > Experience.   
      
   ##  EXACTLY!  About 20 years in fact.  I'm so glad I never got baptized.   
   They knew I expected a fair wage from the WTS if I had to quit my job to   
   push their rags and books.  It was a sensitive issue so they stopped   
   bringing it up.   
      
   > >_Can her information be verified?   
   >   
   > Form former JWs that can corroborate it.   
   >   
   > >_Is the information up to date?   
   >   
   > Since when does living your life in a coercive cult have to do with   
   > such an experience being "up to date."   
      
   ##  That's what I was wondering.  I can't see where they've changed much   
   since the "masturbation fiasco" of the mid 80s.  That's when I had had   
   enough of the whole scene and left them for good - several others left at   
   the same time.  :-)   
      
   > >_What is the purpose of her post?   
   >   
   > If one lurker out there somewhere sees the light and starts thinking   
   > for themselves, the purpose has been served.   
      
   ## YES!!!!  And we've had a few people (one recently) tell me thanks for   
   OPENING their eyes to the real truth. One, a women... is now free of WTS   
   tyranny and self-righteous people like jabriol.  She does post here.   
      
   > >To present reliable facts or sling mud on   
   > >a religious organization in good standing in almost every country in the   
   > >world?   
   >   
   > Good standing!?! GUMAFB! It might be so in countries where people are   
   > poorly educated, and therefore gullible, but in countries where people   
   > have at least some brain cells, the JWs are associated with the sound   
   > of slamming doors.   
      
   ## That;'s not what the WT rags are telling their unpaid discreet slaves as   
   they laugh up their sleeves at their gullibility.   
      
   > >Ask her for evidence of her claims before proceeding with your   
   conversation   
   > >with her, if not you may be end up wasting your time on discussing   
   subjects   
   > >based on fraudulent and fabricated information. Therefore participating   
   with   
   > >her attempt at slander, and distributing false information elsewhere, may   
   > >make you a  lying fool as well.. Why throw Pearls at swine?   
   >   
   > Although I wasn't raised a JW, I may as well have been, since they   
   > exhibit many of the same coercive controls that I had to live through   
   > when I was growing up. The evidence? I lived it! If you don't want to   
   > accept that, that's your problem.   
   >   
   >   
   > >Facts about Carol:   
   > >   
   > >*She can never present evidence.   
   >   
   > I'm sure nothing she posts would satisfy your requirements.   
      
   ##  Right.  That's why so many of us STOPPED wasting hours of our time on   
   researching things that can be posted here or quoted.  No matter what it is,   
   it's rejected - just like PB's long post including may of Jabriol's sick   
   posts.  Several people achieved his posts as proof of what he is and what   
   he's like.  Nothing satisfies a thought-controlled JW.  Nothing!   
      
   > >*she never reveal the source of her info(because there is none). Her   
   common   
   > >reply, is   
   > >"everybody already knows". If everybody knew, why bring it up?   
   >   
   > Out of curiosity, I did a Google search on that exact phrase as used   
   > in this newsgroup. The above quote is the only time it was ever used.   
   > I guess that makes you a liar, doesn't it?   
      
   ## Jabriol is well known for his dishonesty across many, many NGs and has   
   been asked to LEAVE.   
      
   > >*She always hide her identity. And change her header to avoid killfiles.   
   >   
   > Nothing wrong with that.   
      
   ## My identity is not hidden.  Anyone who wants to contact me can, and they   
   do.   
      
   > >*She cuts and paste, rewrite postings, and will even forge e-mail   
   addreses   
   > >which her ISP allows her to do.   
      
   > FWIW, most ISPs don't care what people do in newsgroups. They're more   
   > concerned with spam e-mails, and cross-posting ads to hundreds of   
   > newsgroups than with someone that changes their handle on a daily   
   > basis.   
      
   ##  Jabriol thinks people can go to Google and cut and paste there.  YOU   
   CAN'T!   Any one go there and SEE for themselves.  (Anyone with the   
      
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