XPost: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn, alt.atheism, alt.society.homeless   
   From: lacruiser@aol.com   
      
   On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:59:45 GMT, "jabriol"    
   wrote:   
      
      
   >> Are you saying that an atheist doesn't have the right to judge people   
   >> by the same standards that they judge others or expect others to live   
   >> by?   
   >>   
   >   
   >do atheist have some sort of moral code?   
      
   The atheists I know are kind people. They don't steal or kill. They   
   don't cheat on their spouses. They treat people the way they want to   
   be treated. I'd say that's a pretty good moral code to live by.   
      
   >do they need to refer to Jesus,   
   >which to them is an invention?   
      
   If someone is going to invent a god, and that god has a tome that is   
   considered to be his "word" that everyone should live by, a   
   non-believer is going to examine this "word" and judge the inventors   
   by the same standards that the inventors are judging the non-believer.   
   It's no wonder that many atheists and agnostics know the bible better   
   than the believers do.   
      
   >Must they use religion to control those who   
   >do believe?   
      
   No. That's usually done by elders and other cult leaders.   
      
   >if that is the case, they have no moral fortitude.   
      
   Based on what?   
      
      
   >> Mis-direction and non-sequiter noted. (As you're so fond of saying)   
   >   
   >not really, unless Carol concern is not about helping the poor, but just to   
   >find an excuse to bash JW's..   
   >   
   >what will it be?   
   >   
   >to help the poor?   
   >or bash jw's?   
      
   Maybe you could post some statistics as to how many poor the JWs have   
   helped. Or, perhaps, some financial records as to how much money JWs   
   and the WTBS donated to the Red Cross, Salvation Army, United Way,   
   etc.   
      
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