XPost: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn, alt.atheism, alt.society.homeless   
   From: jabriol@cymech.net   
      
   "Varicose Brain"  wrote in message   
   news:8tbevvk6nehf254bi49n9m42ce4v035u7f@4ax.com...   
   > On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:59:45 GMT, "jabriol"    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >   
   > >> Are you saying that an atheist doesn't have the right to judge people   
   > >> by the same standards that they judge others or expect others to live   
   > >> by?   
   > >>   
   > >   
   > >do atheist have some sort of moral code?   
   >   
   > The atheists I know are kind people. They don't steal or kill. They   
   > don't cheat on their spouses. They treat people the way they want to   
   > be treated. I'd say that's a pretty good moral code to live by.   
   >   
      
   good.. so why have they band together to create an institution to provide   
   for the homeless?   
      
   > >do they need to refer to Jesus,   
   > >which to them is an invention?   
   >   
   > If someone is going to invent a god, and that god has a tome that is   
   > considered to be his "word" that everyone should live by, a   
   > non-believer is going to examine this "word" and judge the inventors   
   > by the same standards that the inventors are judging the non-believer.   
   > It's no wonder that many atheists and agnostics know the bible better   
   > than the believers do.   
   >   
      
   sure they do...   
      
   > >Must they use religion to control those who   
   > >do believe?   
   >   
   > No. That's usually done by elders and other cult leaders.   
   >   
      
   and yet that is what you suggested in your last post.   
      
   > >if that is the case, they have no moral fortitude.   
   >   
   > Based on what?   
   >   
      
   exactly   
   >   
   > >> Mis-direction and non-sequiter noted. (As you're so fond of saying)   
   > >   
   > >not really, unless Carol concern is not about helping the poor, but just   
   to   
   > >find an excuse to bash JW's..   
   > >   
   > >what will it be?   
   > >   
   > >to help the poor?   
   > >or bash jw's?   
   >   
   > Maybe you could post some statistics as to how many poor the JWs have   
   > helped. Or, perhaps, some financial records as to how much money JWs   
   > and the WTBS donated to the Red Cross, Salvation Army, United Way,   
   > etc.   
      
   the Job of the state dept and the IRS. ask them.   
      
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