XPost: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn, alt.atheism, alt.society.homeless   
   From: lacruiser@aol.com   
      
   On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 14:07:38 GMT, "jabriol"    
   wrote:   
      
      
   >> >> Are you saying that an atheist doesn't have the right to judge people   
   >> >> by the same standards that they judge others or expect others to live   
   >> >> by?   
   >> >>   
   >> >   
   >> >do atheist have some sort of moral code?   
   >>   
   >> The atheists I know are kind people. They don't steal or kill. They   
   >> don't cheat on their spouses. They treat people the way they want to   
   >> be treated. I'd say that's a pretty good moral code to live by.   
   >>   
   >   
   >good.. so why have they band together to create an institution to provide   
   >for the homeless?   
      
   Why is it important to you for someone to belong to an organization to   
   do charitable work or donate time and/or money to charity?   
      
   >> If someone is going to invent a god, and that god has a tome that is   
   >> considered to be his "word" that everyone should live by, a   
   >> non-believer is going to examine this "word" and judge the inventors   
   >> by the same standards that the inventors are judging the non-believer.   
   >> It's no wonder that many atheists and agnostics know the bible better   
   >> than the believers do.   
   >>   
   >   
   >sure they do...   
      
   Sarcasm noted...   
      
   >> >Must they use religion to control those who   
   >> >do believe?   
   >>   
   >> No. That's usually done by elders and other cult leaders.   
   >>   
   >   
   >and yet that is what you suggested in your last post.   
      
   I must have missed something. Where, exactly, did I suggest this?   
      
   >> >if that is the case, they have no moral fortitude.   
   >>   
   >> Based on what?   
   >>   
   >   
   >exactly   
      
   Great, Jabbers! Brilliant answer! How can I possibly argue with such   
   infallible logic?    
      
      
   >> Maybe you could post some statistics as to how many poor the JWs have   
   >> helped. Or, perhaps, some financial records as to how much money JWs   
   >> and the WTBS donated to the Red Cross, Salvation Army, United Way,   
   >> etc.   
   >   
   >the Job of the state dept and the IRS. ask them.   
      
   I'm not asking them. I'm asking you. You're the one that keeps harping   
   about it.   
      
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