XPost: alt.athiesm, alt.flame.jesus.christ, alt.talk.creationism
XPost: sci.skeptic
From: me@nothere.biz
On 11-January-2015 5:11 AM, mur.@.not. wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 10:57:31 +1100, felix_unger wrote:
> ..
>> On 05-January-2015 4:53 AM, mur.@.not. wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 11:04:30 -0600, Free Lunch
wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 15:22:13 +1100, felix_unger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03-January-2015 3:33 AM, Free Lunch wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 02 Jan 2015 20:21:00 +1100, felix_unger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 02-January-2015 3:15 PM, mur.@.not. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:19:35 -0600, Free Lunch
wrote:
>>>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:44:22 -0500, mur.@.not. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 13:31:32 -0600, Free Lunch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:09:06 -0500, " R. Dean" <"R.
ean"@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/24/2014 8:58 AM, Free Lunch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:54:43 -0500, " R. Dean" <"R.
Dean"@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just one example of evidence which could seen as
evidence of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common ancestry, but this fact could just as well be seen as
evidence of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deliberate intelligent design.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really, but you do a good job of cherrypicking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you give even _one_ reason as to why this _SHOULD_NOT_ be
seen as an
>>>>>>>>>>>> excellent example of a elegant, ingenuous engineering design far
in
>>>>>>>>>>> ingenuous means dishonest.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> advanced of it's need; a design which has the capacity of being
able to
>>>>>>>>>>>> control the development of all animal species using the exact
same set
>>>>>>>>>>>> of homeobox genes. And this "toolkit" being able to form the
bodies and
>>>>>>>>>>>> organs of all species from the earliest complex animals to
currently
>>>>>>>>>>>> existing species?
>>>>>>>>>>> You are inventing a story that is unneeded. It isn't a valid
argument
>>>>>>>>>>> for your hypothesis because it fits evolution. If you want to
argue that
>>>>>>>>>>> there is a designer, you need to provide evidence for a designer
>>>>>>>>>> WHAT sort of evidence do you think there should be, WHERE do
you think it
>>>>>>>>>> should be,
>>>>>>>>> It's your hypothesis, you should be able to tell us how exactly what
>>>>>>>>> evidence would show that there was an intelligent designer of life
>>>>>>>>> rather than merely natural processes. That would include showing us
>>>>>>>>> specific evidence that this is different from abiogenesis and
evolution.
>>>>>>>>> If you merely assert some vague form of theistic evolution that says
>>>>>>>>> that a deity was guiding the natural processes that we have observed,
>>>>>>>>> your deity is indistinguishable from nothing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I realize that this would require those who reject science to learn
>>>>>>>>> science, but that is their problem, not the problem of scientists.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> WHY do you think it should be made available to humans, and WHEN do
>>>>>>>>>> you think it should be or should have been made available, if there
truly is a
>>>>>>>>>> designer?
>>>>>>>>> Why do you assume that any designer would be so ashamed of the
>>>>>>>>> incompetence of its design that it would try to hide every bit of
>>>>>>>>> evidence that it was responsible for designing?
>>>>>>>> I don't. I take it for granted that no one is able to get to
the proof
>>>>>>>> you're referring to, and he doesn't feel that it's best for what he
wants to see
>>>>>>>> happen for him to make it available to us. In fact that seems very
obvious, yet
>>>>>>>> to you it's incomprehensible. WHY you're not able to comprehend much
less
>>>>>>>> appreciate something so easy to understand, is a much bigger question
than why
>>>>>>>> he would not provide proof of his existence for everyone. Your own
inability to
>>>>>>>> comprehend something so easy IS evidence of God's existence by being
evidence of
>>>>>>>> Satan's influence on pathetic humans' minds btw, as I feel sure I've
pointed out
>>>>>>>> for you more than once already.
>>>>>>> you'd have more success pointing out things to a brick wall than to Dr.
>>>>>>> No, LOL!
>>>>>> As long as you keep making excuses for why there is absolutely no
>>>>>> evidence for any religion or any deity,
>>>>> another of your lies. I don't make excuses because there is evidence,
>>>> So you keep claiming, but it is clear that you have no evidence to
>>>> present to us.
>>> The fact that you lie about it makes YOU evidence. The fact that a
number of
>>> atheists lie about it is pretty strong evidence.
>>>
>> I don't bother with 'free'. he is such a liar. how many times have we
>> described here what evidence there is for God? more than a dozen times I
>> would think. and he just says it's not evidence, and then a bit later on
>> will claim that we have never presented any evidence.
> He does seem to be extremely weak of mind but strong on dishonesty.
>
>> I refuse to give
>> him the satisfaction of doing it all over again.
> I'm still hoping that at some point he will finally figure out what
sort of
> evidence he thinks there should be, where he thinks it should be, why he
thinks
> it should be made available, and when he thinks it should have been or
should be
> made available. Or any one of those things. Then again if he never does
figure
> out what he thinks he thinks and continues to prove that instead as he has
been
> doing, at least we know that much about him. And about ALL of them it
certainly
> appears.
>
>> (gotta go. I'll look at your other recent posts later)
> I'd like to see what you think about what I mentioned regarding
astrology,
> and wonder why you think no atheists said anything similar.
have now
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