On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 21:21:28 +0100, Chicken wrote:   
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   >"felix_unger"  skrev i meddelelsen news:chjq1bFbgp9U1@mid.individual.net...   
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   >> Hi. you know what.. the more of see of atheists, the more I realize just   
   >> how clueless they really are about theistic matters. ...   
   >   
   >True. I never read much of the Bible.   
      
       Yet you consider yourself an authority none the less.   
      
   >I have never believed in any gods, and   
   >I was in my early teens before I realized that there are adults who actually   
   >believe the stories of the Bible and the other 'holy' books. I don't concern   
   >myself with the content of the many different theistic belief systems, I   
   >simply reject the claim that gods exist.   
      
       No you don't. You go way beyond that, though apparently you're now ashamed   
   to admit it. You weren't so ashamed in the past though, and I have it recorded   
   in my notes.   
      
   >> ... I have been giving them way too much credit. the other thing I have   
   >> come to realize (that you realized long ago) is just how dishonest they   
   >> can be, some more so than others of course. they will twist things around,   
   >> ...   
   >   
   >Like what?   
   >   
   >> ... and as you have said before, it leaves one scratching ones head   
   >> wondering to what extent that's a matter of stupidity, duplicity, or   
   >> dishonesty. another thing about them is that they like (want!) to overly   
   >> complicate things. ...   
   >   
   >Come on... all we (atheists) say is that we don't believe in gods.   
      
       No liar, that's not "all" you say:   
      
   "There is no god." - Malte Runz   
      
   "I showed an example of evidence that proves god does not exist." - Malte Runz   
      
   >> ... I believe that's simply to try to give themselves, or atheism, more   
   >> credibility. for example, with regard to UFO's.. no normal sensible person   
   >> has any problem describing the reports, sightings, photos, testimony of   
   >> encounters, etc., collectively as evidence for UFO's. ...   
   >   
   >Show me an image that you think is evidence for a alien UFO having visited   
   >Earth, and we'll take it from there. I've asked you to do that several   
   >times, but for some reason you have failed miserably every time.   
   >   
   >> ... so   
   >> why do atheists? I believe it's all about denying the existence of any   
   >> evidence for God. ...   
   >   
   >Nobody denies that the Bible exists, or that people claim to have been   
   >healed by holy water from Lourdes, and that many billions believe there is a   
   >god. But it doesn't count as evidence. Most of it is hearsay and the rest is   
   >ancient texts and downright lies. 'I washed my blind eyes in the holy water   
   >and now I can see!!!' Sorry, that's not valid evidence,   
      
       It sure is. Even IF you can explain how ELSE a person could get their sight   
   back after washing in the water it might STILL REMAIN evidence, depending on   
   the   
   quality of your explanation. When you can give none at all it will of course   
   STILL REMAIN evidence. LOL...hilarious!!!   
      
   >and if you think it   
   >is, I believe you're the one with an agenda. You're the one who needs all   
   >the BS to count as evidence for one reason or another. Do you have loved   
   >ones, or family, who believe in a god and you feel the need to justify   
   >their, let's face it, irrational beliefs in mythical creatures and   
   >supernatural events?   
   >   
   >   
   >> ... they are trying to establish as a fact that nothing is evidence unless   
   >> it is proof. ...   
   >   
   >Scientific evidence will suffice any day.   
   >   
   >   
   >> ... but as we know, evidence does not need to be. the other thing about   
   >> them, is that they think they are so clever,   
   >   
   >!   
   >   
   >   
   >> and that their position is a superior one (to the point of giving them   
   >> justification to deride the beliefs of others) when in fact the opposite   
   >> is true! ...   
   >   
   >A modern, naturalistic approach when trying to understand life,   
      
       The fact that there are no animals in transition stages between reptiles   
   and   
   birds today and very few fossils of very very few supposed examples from the   
   past is evidence that evolotion might have had help from something that   
   deliberately influenced the way things evolved. Refusing to consider such   
   things   
   is in no way superior to taking them into consideration. LOL...again just   
   describing your position is hilarious. That's just the way it is.   
      
   >the Universe   
   >and all the rest, is superior to one based on ancient superstitions and   
   >myths told by uneducated, ignorant bronze age, goat herding, desert   
   >dwellers. That's just the way it is.   
   >   
   >   
   >> ... how ironic! their well evidenced cluelessness clearly shows they are   
   >> far from clever when it comes to these matters, and what can possibly be   
   >> superior about the single idea that God does not exist!   
   >   
   >It's what you don't have to believe in when you're not a theist that makes   
   >all the difference.   
      
       I'm a weak agnostic who has challenged you to try explaining how your   
   beliefs are in any way(s) superior to mine. The fact that you could never   
   attempt any explanation(s) is probably ONE OF the things that makes you too   
   scared to reply to me at all any more.   
      
   >> anyone who can come up with more than that one idea, ...   
   >   
   >All the things you have the freedom and ability to feel and believe when   
   >you're not a theist seal the deal.   
      
       LOL....uh....I mean: Like what, Chicken?   
      
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