XPost: alt.athiesm, alt.flame.jesus.christ, alt.talk.creationism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
   From: me@nothere.biz   
      
   On 16-January-2015 9:07 AM, mur wrote:   
   > On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:39:39 +1100, felix_unger  wrote:   
   > ..   
   >> On 14-January-2015 9:58 AM, grabber wrote:   
   >>> On 13/01/2015 00:06, felix_unger wrote:   
   >>>> On 13-January-2015 8:27 AM, grabber wrote:   
   >>>>> On 12/01/2015 08:13, felix_unger wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> all beliefs require a degree of faith in their veracity.   
   >>>>> That depends on what one means by "belief", and even more on what one   
   >>>>> means by "faith". Weren't you attending?   
   >>>> I know you think you're being clever,   
   >>> No, I don't think it takes any particular cleverness to establish   
   >>> shared understandings of the words you're using in a discussion;   
   >>> what's in question is why you would want to go out of your way to   
   >>> resist gaining any such understanding.   
   >>>   
   >>> So when Malte says: "Call it 'faith=confidence' if you like, but don't   
   >>> equate it with the faith of the theist that there is a god", he is   
   >>> alerting you to the possibility that you and he may intend different   
   >>> things by "faith".   
   >>>   
   >>> And then when you say, in response, that "I don't understand what you   
   >>> mean. faith is faith", it seems that you wish to wilfully ignore this   
   >>> distinction. Why would you want to do this?   
   >> because there isn't one. faith is faith.   
   >      That one's so obvious and easy it seems even an atheist should be able   
   to   
   > comprehend.   
      
     :)   
      
   >   
   >> it's only a matter of how much   
   >> is required to sustain a belief.. a little or a lot.   
   >      People have a lot of faith in some things and only a little faith in   
   others,   
   > but faith is still faith. The amount of faith a person has that there's no   
   God   
   > associated with this planet is what determines how strong an atheist they   
   are or   
   > are not.   
   >   
      
   exactly. another way of looking at it is the amount or level of doubt   
   one has about any particular belief. the more faith you have, the less   
   doubt you have, and the more doubt you have, the less faith you will   
   have. or one could also talk about strong or weak faith in that context.   
      
   --   
   rgds,   
      
   Pete   
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   JE SUIS CHARLIE   
      
   It's not about Islam!.. http://ausnet.info/pics/islam.png   
   http://thereligionofpeace.com   
   http://pamelageller.com/   
   http://www.barenakedislam.com/   
   Brigitte Gabriel's answer to 'peaceful' moslems.. http://tinyurl   
   com/brigitteGab   
   "The right to free speech includes the right to offend"   
   "ISIS's actions represent no faith, least of all the Muslim faith"   
   -Barack Obama, idiotic President of the USA   
   "These terrorists and fanatics have nothing to do with the Muslim religion"   
   -stupid FRENCH PRESIDENT FRANCOIS HOLLANDE   
   “this .. is not anything on religion or belief .. This is a purely   
   unacceptable terrorist attack–criminality”   
   -UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, another fool in denial   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)