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   On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 07:28:00 +1100, felix_unger  wrote:   
   .   
   >On 16-January-2015 9:07 AM, mur wrote:   
   >> On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:39:39 +1100, felix_unger  wrote:   
   >> ..   
   >>> On 14-January-2015 9:58 AM, grabber wrote:   
   >>>> On 13/01/2015 00:06, felix_unger wrote:   
   >>>>> On 13-January-2015 8:27 AM, grabber wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 12/01/2015 08:13, felix_unger wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> all beliefs require a degree of faith in their veracity.   
   >>>>>> That depends on what one means by "belief", and even more on what one   
   >>>>>> means by "faith". Weren't you attending?   
   >>>>> I know you think you're being clever,   
   >>>> No, I don't think it takes any particular cleverness to establish   
   >>>> shared understandings of the words you're using in a discussion;   
   >>>> what's in question is why you would want to go out of your way to   
   >>>> resist gaining any such understanding.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> So when Malte says: "Call it 'faith=confidence' if you like, but don't   
   >>>> equate it with the faith of the theist that there is a god", he is   
   >>>> alerting you to the possibility that you and he may intend different   
   >>>> things by "faith".   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And then when you say, in response, that "I don't understand what you   
   >>>> mean. faith is faith", it seems that you wish to wilfully ignore this   
   >>>> distinction. Why would you want to do this?   
   >>> because there isn't one. faith is faith.   
   >>      That one's so obvious and easy it seems even an atheist should be able   
   to   
   >> comprehend.   
   >   
   >  :)   
   >   
   >>   
   >>> it's only a matter of how much   
   >>> is required to sustain a belief.. a little or a lot.   
   >>      People have a lot of faith in some things and only a little faith in   
   others,   
   >> but faith is still faith. The amount of faith a person has that there's no   
   God   
   >> associated with this planet is what determines how strong an atheist they   
   are or   
   >> are not.   
   >>   
   >   
   >exactly. another way of looking at it is the amount or level of doubt   
   >one has about any particular belief. the more faith you have, the less   
   >doubt you have, and the more doubt you have, the less faith you will   
   >have. or one could also talk about strong or weak faith in that context.   
      
       Some of us can. For others there's apparently a huge mental void in that   
   area, and they're trying to discuss something they can't even comprehend much   
   less appreciate.   
      
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