On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 07:57:18 +1100, felix_unger  wrote:   
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   >On 16-January-2015 9:08 AM, mur wrote:   
   >> On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 16:50:31 +1100, felix_unger  wrote:   
   >> ..   
   >>> Hi. you know what.. the more of see of atheists, the more I realize just   
   >>> how clueless they really are about theistic matters. I have been giving   
   >>> them way too much credit.   
   >>      Well, yes, but on the plus side it means you deliberately tried to   
   find some   
   >> value to their stupidity and lies and ineptitude, and tried some more, and   
   kept   
   >> trying. So it's not like you jumped to a conclusion without giving them   
   PLENTY   
   >> of opportunity to show that they have something worthwhile and respectable   
   to   
   >> offer. It's just that they don't, and you let THEM teach you that by their   
   own   
   >> willful replies and behavior.   
   >   
   >that's a good explanation. I do tend to assume that ppl are honest,   
   >sincere, and trustworthy!   
      
       We've certainly been taught that atheists don't fall into that category by   
   the people themselves. I've also been taught the same thing about   
   eliminationists who try to conceal their true objective by cloaking it under   
   the   
   gross mi$nomer "animal rights". When I was still very new to them I remember a   
   poster quoting some famous person who said something like: 'All "aras" lie'. At   
   the time I was as yet unaware of the huge difference between the misnomer and   
   Animal Welfare, but after I learned the difference and got more experience with   
   eliminationists (who he referred to by the misnomer "aras") they taught me, as   
   the atheists have done, that they do all lie. They are VERY comfortable with   
   dishonesty, and like the atheists they don't criticise each other for their   
   dishonesties no matter how stupidly blatant.   
      
   >>> the other thing I have come to realize (that   
   >>> you realized long ago) is just how dishonest they can be, some more so   
   >>> than others of course. they will twist things around, and as you have   
   >>> said before, it leaves one scratching ones head wondering to what extent   
   >>> that's a matter of stupidity, duplicity, or dishonesty.   
   >>      Yes it seems the most common question that keeps coming up over and   
   over is   
   >> whether they're more stupid than dishonest, or more dishonest than stupid.   
   >>   
   >>> another thing   
   >>> about them is that they like (want!) to overly complicate things. I   
   >>> believe that's simply to try to give themselves, or atheism, more   
   >>> credibility. for example, with regard to UFO's.. no normal sensible   
   >>> person has any problem describing the reports, sightings, photos,   
   >>> testimony of encounters, etc., collectively as evidence for UFO's.   
   >>> so why do atheists?   
   >>      You challenged them to try explaining what, if not evidence, was   
   >> investigated when people investigated the possibility and none of them could   
   >> provide a respectable alternative. That should have been enough to let even   
   an   
   >> atheist know how stupid their position is.   
   >   
   >LOL! maybe they all need to go back to kindergarten, lol   
      
       May be, but they'd probably have to repeat it a few times before they could   
   catch up with the normal kids.   
      
   >>> I believe it's all about denying the existence of any   
   >>> evidence for God. they are trying to establish as a fact that nothing is   
   >>> evidence unless it is proof. but as we know, evidence does not need to   
   >>> be.   
   >>      One of the best examples that raises the  'more dishonest or more   
   stupid'   
   >> question.   
   >>   
   >>> the other thing about them, is that they think they are so clever,   
   >>> and that their position is a superior one (to the point of giving them   
   >>> justification to deride the beliefs of others) when in fact the opposite   
   >>> is true! how ironic! their well evidenced cluelessness clearly shows   
   >>> they are far from clever when it comes to these matters, and what can   
   >>> possibly be superior about the single idea that God does not exist!   
   >>      LOL!!! Especially when dealing with people who do consider that   
   possibility   
   >> too.   
   >>   
   >>> anyone who can come up with more than that one idea, which is trivial to   
   >>> do, has clearly trumped it, lol!   
   >>      You have provided an excellent example of when just describing the   
   position   
   >> they're in is hilarious!   
   >>   
   >>> well, that's just some thoughts I've   
   >>> been wanting to get out there. please comment if you wish.   
   >>      You took your time, evaluated these morons very open mindedly giving   
   them   
   >> every opportunity to encourage you to arrive at a different conclusion,   
   >> encouraged them to develop more respectable and open minded thinking, and   
   they   
   >> STILL showed you what dishonest and inept idiots they are. You did well and   
   >> treated them better than any of them deserve, so you should feel very good   
   about   
   >> your own position.   
      
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