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   From: les@shant.tell   
      
   On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 21:44:48 -0600, Mitchell Holman    
   wrote:   
      
   >mur wrote in news:nd3ifah5ifpmhngt74l7nejktsc17lgh1f@4ax.com:   
   >   
   >> On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 01:11:31 -0800, Jeanne Douglas   
   >>  wrote:   
   >> .   
   >>>In article <6100d646e56f3a56945d8feb86f3cea3@dizum.com>,   
   >>> "Carmine"  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> In article    
   >>>> Mitchell Holman  wrote:   
   >>>> >   
   >>>> > mur wrote in news:gcqveahsh60t4eggnur0t96k60ocq57g9r@4ax.com:   
   >>>> >   
   >>>> > > On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:45:13 -0600, Mitchell Holman   
   >>>> > >  wrote: .   
   >>>> > >>mur wrote in news:5iafeah6t3his33euknmf31kdqkhokde4i@4ax.com:   
   >>>> > >>   
   >>>> > >>> On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:52:56 -0600, Mitchell Holman   
   >>>> > >>>  wrote: .   
   >>>> > >>>>On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:49:17 -0500, mur wrote:   
   >>>> > >>>>   
   >>>> > >>>>>On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:41:18 -0600, Mitchell Holman   
   >>>> > >>>>> wrote: .   
   >>>> > >>>>>>mur wrote in   
   >>>> > >>>>>>news:dl4ldalk1uqlcf3qnh8f4e5hhp8n28a1ul@4ax.com:   
   >>>> > >>>>>>   
   >>>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 15:44:43 -0600, Mitchell Holman   
   >>>> > >>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>> > >>>>>>>   
   >>>> > >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>> > >>>>>>>>>     Here's a fact for you: Atheists have nothing at all   
   >>>> > >>>>>>>>>     constraining them in any   
   >>>> > >>>>>>>>> way.   
   >>>> > >>>>>>>>   
   >>>> > >>>>>>>>    Which means their morality is independent   
   >>>> > >>>>>>>>of any system of divine rewards or punishments.   
   >>>> > >>>>>>>>Sounds like a superior form to me.......   
   >>>> > >>>>>>>   
   >>>> > >>>>>>>     How does lying that there's no evidence of God's   
   >>>> > >>>>>>>     existence sound better to   
   >>>> > >>>>>>> you than not lying about it and dealing with what evidence   
   >>>> > >>>>>>> there is?   
   >>>> > >>>>>>   
   >>>> > >>>>>>   
   >>>> > >>>>>>      What evidence is that?   
   >>>> > >>>>>   
   >>>> > >>>>>    Life itself is evidence.   
   >>>> > >>>>   
   >>>> > >>>>      Life is evidence of life.   
   >>>> > >>>   
   >>>> > >>>     Even IF humans eventually are able to produce life from   
   >>>> > >>>     lifeless material   
   >>>> > >>> life might STILL remain evidence of God's existence.   
   >>>> > >>   
   >>>> > >>   
   >>>> > >>    "Might"?   
   >>>> > >>   
   >>>> > >>    Your whole faith is based on what MIGHT be evidence?   
   >>>> > >   
   >>>> > >     I don't have faith that there's a God associated with Earth.   
   >>>> > >     I'm a weak   
   >>>> > > agnostic so I consider the possibility that there is not, and   
   >>>> > > also that there is. What I pointed out is still a fact though.   
   >>>> > > Is there something you don't like about it, and if so, how would   
   >>>> > > you rather things be different?   
   >>>> >   
   >>>> >   
   >>>> >      What you accept on faith is your business.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Then why are you atheists always sticking your nose up the arses   
   >>>> of Christians?   
   >>>   
   >>>They invade our home newsgroup.   
   >>   
   >>     We challenge your claims and beliefs to see if there's anything of   
   >>     value to   
   >> them. So far there doesn't appear to be, which we also point out for   
   >> you but you can't appreciate that aspect of it. From there we consider   
   >> why that might be...   
   >>   
   >>>What do you think   
   >>   
   >>     I seems somewhat significant that all of you people can't do any   
   >>     better than   
   >> you're able to against a much smaller number.   
   >>   
   >>>we shouldn't defend our home turf against invaders?   
   >>   
   >>     There's one particular challenge that has totally defeated every   
   >>     one of you   
   >> for months now both as individuals and as a group. If any of you were   
   >> able to give a respectable answer to the challenge it would suggest   
   >> that you people might have some idea what you think you're trying to   
   >> talk about. But so far not one of you has been able to provide any   
   >> respectable responce to it. Here it is again, in case any of you can   
   >> finally provide one:   
   >>   
   >> Try to explain WHAT type of evidence you think there should be, WHERE   
   >> you think it should be, WHY you think it should be available to   
   >> humans, and WHEN you think it should have been or should be made   
   >> available, if there truly is a God associated with this planet.   
   >>   
   >   
   >   
   >     Lack of logic noted.   
   >   
   >     YOU have the burden of proof regarding   
   >what YOU believe. Demanding proof to the   
   >contrary is an admission you have none.   
   >   
      
   Yep if he personally knows there is a god then he aught to to   
   at least know how he knows so he can explain it to us. Either   
   that or admit that he accepted there is a god just on the say-so   
   of others.   
      
   Demanding that we tell him how he knows so he can tell us   
   how he knows does come across as a rather stupid excuse   
   for admitting he has no evidence and has nothing more than   
   worthless faith in whoever told him to believe   
      
      
   --   
   Les Hellawell   
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   "Faith must trample under foot all reason,   
   sense, and understanding".   
      
   Martin Luther   
      
   This means that if Luther practised what   
   he preached nothing he ever said makes any sense   
      
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