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   On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 11:29:47 +0000, Les Hellawell  wrote:   
   .   
   >On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 21:44:48 -0600, Mitchell Holman    
   >wrote:   
   >   
   >>mur wrote in news:nd3ifah5ifpmhngt74l7nejktsc17lgh1f@4ax.com:   
   >>   
   >>> On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 01:11:31 -0800, Jeanne Douglas   
   >>>  wrote:   
   >>> .   
   >>>>In article <6100d646e56f3a56945d8feb86f3cea3@dizum.com>,   
   >>>> "Carmine"  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> In article    
   >>>>> Mitchell Holman  wrote:   
   >>>>> >   
   >>>>> > mur wrote in news:gcqveahsh60t4eggnur0t96k60ocq57g9r@4ax.com:   
   >>>>> >   
   >>>>> > > On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:45:13 -0600, Mitchell Holman   
   >>>>> > >  wrote: .   
   >>>>> > >>mur wrote in news:5iafeah6t3his33euknmf31kdqkhokde4i@4ax.com:   
   >>>>> > >>   
   >>>>> > >>> On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:52:56 -0600, Mitchell Holman   
   >>>>> > >>>  wrote: .   
   >>>>> > >>>>On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:49:17 -0500, mur wrote:   
   >>>>> > >>>>   
   >>>>> > >>>>>On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:41:18 -0600, Mitchell Holman   
   >>>>> > >>>>> wrote: .   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>mur wrote in   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>news:dl4ldalk1uqlcf3qnh8f4e5hhp8n28a1ul@4ax.com:   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 15:44:43 -0600, Mitchell Holman   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>>   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>     Here's a fact for you: Atheists have nothing at all   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>     constraining them in any   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>>>> way.   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>>>    Which means their morality is independent   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>>>of any system of divine rewards or punishments.   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>>>Sounds like a superior form to me.......   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>>   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>>     How does lying that there's no evidence of God's   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>>     existence sound better to   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>> you than not lying about it and dealing with what evidence   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>> there is?   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>   
   >>>>> > >>>>>>      What evidence is that?   
   >>>>> > >>>>>   
   >>>>> > >>>>>    Life itself is evidence.   
   >>>>> > >>>>   
   >>>>> > >>>>      Life is evidence of life.   
   >>>>> > >>>   
   >>>>> > >>>     Even IF humans eventually are able to produce life from   
   >>>>> > >>>     lifeless material   
   >>>>> > >>> life might STILL remain evidence of God's existence.   
   >>>>> > >>   
   >>>>> > >>   
   >>>>> > >>    "Might"?   
   >>>>> > >>   
   >>>>> > >>    Your whole faith is based on what MIGHT be evidence?   
   >>>>> > >   
   >>>>> > >     I don't have faith that there's a God associated with Earth.   
   >>>>> > >     I'm a weak   
   >>>>> > > agnostic so I consider the possibility that there is not, and   
   >>>>> > > also that there is. What I pointed out is still a fact though.   
   >>>>> > > Is there something you don't like about it, and if so, how would   
   >>>>> > > you rather things be different?   
   >>>>> >   
   >>>>> >   
   >>>>> >      What you accept on faith is your business.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Then why are you atheists always sticking your nose up the arses   
   >>>>> of Christians?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>They invade our home newsgroup.   
   >>>   
   >>>     We challenge your claims and beliefs to see if there's anything of   
   >>>     value to   
   >>> them. So far there doesn't appear to be, which we also point out for   
   >>> you but you can't appreciate that aspect of it. From there we consider   
   >>> why that might be...   
   >>>   
   >>>>What do you think   
   >>>   
   >>>     I seems somewhat significant that all of you people can't do any   
   >>>     better than   
   >>> you're able to against a much smaller number.   
   >>>   
   >>>>we shouldn't defend our home turf against invaders?   
   >>>   
   >>>     There's one particular challenge that has totally defeated every   
   >>>     one of you   
   >>> for months now both as individuals and as a group. If any of you were   
   >>> able to give a respectable answer to the challenge it would suggest   
   >>> that you people might have some idea what you think you're trying to   
   >>> talk about. But so far not one of you has been able to provide any   
   >>> respectable responce to it. Here it is again, in case any of you can   
   >>> finally provide one:   
   >>>   
   >>> Try to explain WHAT type of evidence you think there should be, WHERE   
   >>> you think it should be, WHY you think it should be available to   
   >>> humans, and WHEN you think it should have been or should be made   
   >>> available, if there truly is a God associated with this planet.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>     Lack of logic noted.   
   >>   
   >>     YOU have the burden of proof regarding   
   >>what YOU believe. Demanding proof to the   
   >>contrary is an admission you have none.   
   >>   
   >   
   >Yep if he personally knows there is a god   
      
       I don't and don't even pretend I do. I consider the possibility that there   
   is not, but I go way beyond what you people are able to do and also consider   
   the   
   possibility that there is.   
      
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