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   On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 20:19:16 -0600, David Johnston  wrote:   
   .   
   >On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 20:37:27 -0400, mur <> wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:23:54 -0600, David Johnston  wrote:   
   >>.   
   >>>On 3/12/2015 3:11 PM, mur wrote:   
   >>>> On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 21:39:01 -0700, David Johnston    
   wrote:   
   >>>> .   
   >>>>> On 3/5/2015 7:30 PM, mur wrote:   
      
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Deuteronomy 24:   
   >>>>>> 16 Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children   
   put to   
   >>>>>> death for their parents; each will die for their own sin.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Deuteronomy 23: 2-3   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> No one of illegitimate birth shall enter the assembly of the LORD; none   
   >>>>> of his descendants, even to the tenth generation, shall enter the   
   >>>>> assembly of the LORD. 3"No Ammonite or Moabite shall enter the assembly   
   >>>>> of the LORD; none of their descendants, even to the tenth generation,   
   >>>>> shall ever enter the assembly of the LORD,…   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Not that Deuteronomy is relevant.  The doctrine of original sin as   
   >>>>> adopted by Christianity comes from   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Romans 5: 12   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death   
   >>>>> through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all   
   sinned—   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is   
   not   
   >>>> charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14 Nevertheless,   
   death   
   >>>> reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who   
   did not   
   >>>> sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to   
   come.   
   >>>> 15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the   
   trespass   
   >>>> of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by   
   the   
   >>>> grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the   
   gift of   
   >>>> God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed   
   one sin   
   >>>> and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and   
   brought   
   >>>> justification.   
   >>>   
   >>>Not actually supporting your case there.   
   >>   
   >>    Yeah it does.   
   >   
   >Your quotation is quite clear.  All sinned.   
      
       That's a very common belief. In fact I've never met anyone who didn't   
   believe it.   
      
   >>>>> The only escape is to have a properly timed spiritual rebirth that   
   >>>>> causes you to reject the sins of your past for long enough that you can   
   >>>>> die zeroed out.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>      It's not likely to happen for you,   
   >>>   
   >>>So?   
   >>   
   >>    Just making an observation. It sure doesn't matter to me, or God if he   
   >>exists probably.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>> I have.  I've also heard that it's equally available to all.  Child   
   >>>>>>> molesters included.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>       How does that support you?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It undermines your claim that Christian religious convictions are an   
   >>>>> very effective deterrent compared to the prospect of actual prison.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>      Maybe. That would depend on the beliefs of the individual.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>>Making "I could get caught and go to prison" a far more likely deterrent.   
   >>   
   >>    That would depend on the beliefs of the individual.   
   >   
   >Which are whatever the individual wants them to be.  Hence the actual   
   >prospect of going to prison being a more likely deterrent.   
      
       So you're saying we should believe no group of people is more likely to   
   abuse children than any other?   
      
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