XPost: sac.politics, alt.atheism, alt.politics.homosexuality   
      
   On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 14:10:05 -0400, Bill Steele  wrote:   
   .   
   >On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 19:11:49 -0400, mur <> wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 02:47:42 +0100 (CET), "Like A Good Neighbor"   
   >> wrote:   
   >>.   
   >>>In article    
   >>>mur <> wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 15:43:03 -0400, Bill Steele  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> >On 3/12/15 5:59 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:   
   >>>> >> In article , mur <> wrote:   
   >>>> >>   
   >>>> >>> On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 23:10:48 -0800, Jeanne Douglas    
   >>>> >>> wrote:   
   >>>> >>> .   
   >>>> >>>> In article , mur wrote:   
   >>>> >>>>   
   >>>> >>>>> On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 01:11:31 -0800, Jeanne Douglas   
   >>>> >>>>>    
   >>>> >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>> >>>>> .   
   >>>> >>>>>> In article <6100d646e56f3a56945d8feb86f3cea3@dizum.com>,   
   >>>> >>>>>> "Carmine"  wrote:   
   >>>> >>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>> In article    
   >>>> >>>>>>> Mitchell Holman  wrote:   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>>> mur wrote in news:gcqveahsh60t4eggnur0t96k60ocq57g9r@4ax.com:   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:45:13 -0600, Mitchell Holman   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>    
   >>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: .   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>> mur wrote in news:5iafeah6t3his33euknmf31kdqkhokde4i@4ax.com:   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:52:56 -0600, Mitchell Holman   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>  wrote: .   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:49:17 -0500, mur wrote:   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:41:18 -0600, Mitchell Holman   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote: .   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mur wrote in news:dl4ldalk1uqlcf3qnh8f4e5hhp   
   n28a1ul@4ax.com:   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 15:44:43 -0600, Mitchell Holman   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Here's a fact for you: Atheists have nothing at all   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      constraining them in any   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way.   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Which means their morality is independent   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of any system of divine rewards or punishments.   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like a superior form to me.......   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      How does lying that there's no evidence of God's   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      existence   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      sound better to   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you than not lying about it and dealing with what evidence   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is?   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>       What evidence is that?   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>     Life itself is evidence.   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>       Life is evidence of life.   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>      Even IF humans eventually are able to produce life from   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>      lifeless   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>      material   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> life might STILL remain evidence of God's existence.   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>     "Might"?   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>>     Your whole faith is based on what MIGHT be evidence?   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>      I don't have faith that there's a God associated with   
   Earth.   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>      I'm a   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>>      weak   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>> agnostic so I consider the possibility that there is not, and   
   also   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>> that there is. What I pointed out is still a fact though. Is   
   there   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>> something you don't like about it, and if so, how would you   
   rather   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>> things be different?   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>>>       What you accept on faith is your business.   
   >>>> >>>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>>> Then why are you atheists always sticking your nose up the arses   
   >>>> >>>>>>> of Christians?   
   >>>> >>>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>> They invade our home newsgroup.   
   >>>> >>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>      We challenge your claims and beliefs to see if there's   
   anything of   
   >>>> >>>>>      value   
   >>>> >>>>>      to   
   >>>> >>>>> them. So far there doesn't appear to be, which we also point out   
   for you   
   >>>> >>>>> but   
   >>>> >>>>> you   
   >>>> >>>>> can't appreciate that aspect of it. From there we consider why that   
   might   
   >>>> >>>>> be...   
   >>>> >>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>> What do you think   
   >>>> >>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>      I seems somewhat significant that all of you people can't do   
   any   
   >>>> >>>>>      better   
   >>>> >>>>>      than   
   >>>> >>>>> you're able to against a much smaller number.   
   >>>> >>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>> we shouldn't defend our home turf against invaders?   
   >>>> >>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>>      There's one particular challenge that has totally defeated   
   every one   
   >>>> >>>>>      of   
   >>>> >>>>>      you   
   >>>> >>>>> for months now both as individuals and as a group. If any of you   
   were able   
   >>>> >>>>> to   
   >>>> >>>>> give a respectable answer to the challenge it would suggest that you   
   >>>> >>>>> people   
   >>>> >>>>> might have some idea what you think you're trying to talk about.   
   But so   
   >>>> >>>>> far   
   >>>> >>>>> not   
   >>>> >>>>> one of you has been able to provide any respectable responce to it.   
   Here   
   >>>> >>>>> it   
   >>>> >>>>> is   
   >>>> >>>>> again, in case any of you can finally provide one:   
   >>>> >>>>>   
   >>>> >>>>> Try to explain WHAT type of evidence you think there should be,   
   WHERE you   
   >>>> >>>>> think   
   >>>> >>>>> it should be, WHY you think it should be available to humans, and   
   WHEN you   
   >>>> >>>>> think   
   >>>> >>>>> it should have been or should be made available, if there truly is   
   a God   
   >>>> >>>>> associated with this planet.   
   >>>> >>>>   
   >>>> >>>>   
   >>>> >>>> We've answered your "challenge" every single time you've posed it.   
   >>>> >>>   
   >>>> >>>      That's a horribly blatant lie.   
   >>>> >>>   
   >>>> >>>> It's not our fault that you don't like our answer.   
   >>>> >>>   
   >>>> >>>      On the VERY FEW times anyone has made any attempt to answer it   
   has   
   >>>> >>>      usually   
   >>>> >>> been that they think God should regrow limbs on amputees, which is   
   incredibly   
   >>>> >>> stupid   
   >>>> >>   
   >>>> >> Why do you hate amputees?   
   >>>> >>   
   >>>> >   
   >>>> >Perhaps because they show evidence that God does not watch over and   
   >>>> >protect all of us all the time.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>     Is that how you like to think you would spend every second of your   
   time if   
   >>>> you were in God's position?   
   >>>   
   >>>If I was God, I'd have a fishhook up Steele's asshole, fishing   
   >>>for sharks and drinking beer.   
   >>   
   >>    So you're another example of only being able to "consider" the   
   possibility   
   >>of God's existence in an extremely childlike and unrealistic way. That is   
   >>consistent with ALL atheists afawk, and it is WHY they ARE atheists.   
   >   
   >Seems to me the image of God as a "father"is the most childlike of all.   
      
      
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