XPost: sac.politics, can.politics, alt.atheism   
   XPost: alt.politics.homosexuality   
   From: David@block.net   
      
   On 3/25/2015 7:33 PM, mur. wrote:   
   > On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 19:37:05 -0600, David Johnston  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 3/18/2015 5:11 PM, mur wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>>> Not actually supporting your case there.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>      Yeah it does.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Your quotation is quite clear.  All sinned.   
   >>>   
   >>>       That's a very common belief. In fact I've never met anyone who didn't   
   >>> believe it.   
   >>   
   >> Thus we are all damned to hell   
   >   
   >   
   >> by default regardless of our particular   
   >> sins.   
      
    >      Not necessarily. Do you have any clue why?   
      
   Because if Hell doesn't exist, we aren't damned to it.   
      
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>      That would depend on the beliefs of the individual.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Which are whatever the individual wants them to be.  Hence the actual   
   >>>> prospect of going to prison being a more likely deterrent.   
   >>>   
   >>>       So you're saying we should believe no group of people is more likely   
   to   
   >>> abuse children than any other?   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Nope.  That's not what I'm saying. And really I can't recall the last   
   >> time that someone started a sentence with "So you're saying" and   
   >> accurately conveyed what the person was saying.   
   >   
   >      Well so far you've provided no reason to believe I wasn't correct this   
   time.   
   >   
   >> It might in fact be the   
   >> case that atheists are statistically more likely to molest children than   
   >> church-goers.  You just haven't made a good argument for it or   
   >> established that the difference, if it exist is particularly large and   
   >> significant.   
   >   
   >      You still haven't provided reason to believe I wasn't correct.   
      
   Yes I have.  I've pointed out that Judeo-Christian religion doesn't even   
   ban molestation.  I've pointed out that even if it did, the punishment   
   for it would be no more severe than it would be for being alive.   
      
   >   
   >> You just kind of assumed that the many reports of child   
   >> molesting in connection to religious institutions are anomalous or   
   >> fabricated   
   >   
   >      Try providing reason to believe that.   
      
   That's what you said you were doing.  Were you lying?   
      
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