XPost: sac.politics, can.politics, alt.atheism   
   XPost: alt.politics.homosexuality   
      
   On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 20:23:35 -0600, David Johnston  wrote:   
   .   
   >On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 21:33:12 -0400, mur. <> wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 19:37:05 -0600, David Johnston  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>On 3/18/2015 5:11 PM, mur wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>>>> Not actually supporting your case there.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>     Yeah it does.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Your quotation is quite clear.  All sinned.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>      That's a very common belief. In fact I've never met anyone who didn't   
   >>>> believe it.   
   >>>   
   >>>Thus we are all damned to hell   
   >>   
   >>    Not necessarily. Do you have any clue why?   
   >   
   >Because if Hell doesn't exist, we aren't damned to it.   
      
       And if it does?   
      
   >>>by default regardless of our particular   
   >>>sins.   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>     That would depend on the beliefs of the individual.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Which are whatever the individual wants them to be.  Hence the actual   
   >>>>> prospect of going to prison being a more likely deterrent.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>      So you're saying we should believe no group of people is more likely   
   to   
   >>>> abuse children than any other?   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>>Nope.  That's not what I'm saying. And really I can't recall the last   
   >>>time that someone started a sentence with "So you're saying" and   
   >>>accurately conveyed what the person was saying.   
   >>   
   >>    Well so far you've provided no reason to believe I wasn't correct this   
   time.   
   >>   
   >>>It might in fact be the   
   >>>case that atheists are statistically more likely to molest children than   
   >>>church-goers.  You just haven't made a good argument for it or   
   >>>established that the difference, if it exist is particularly large and   
   >>>significant.   
   >>   
   >>    You still haven't provided reason to believe I wasn't correct.   
   >   
   >Yes I have.  I've pointed out that Judeo-Christian religion doesn't even   
   >ban molestation.   
      
       How did you find that out?   
      
   >I've pointed out that even if it did, the punishment   
   >for it would be no more severe than it would be for being alive.   
      
       We are told:   
      
   Mark 9:42   
   "If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to   
   stumble,   
   it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck   
   and   
   they were thrown into the sea."   
      
   so there may be more to it than you want people to believe.   
      
   >>>You just kind of assumed that the many reports of child   
   >>>molesting in connection to religious institutions are anomalous or   
   >>>fabricated   
   >>   
   >>    Try providing reason to believe that.   
   >   
   >That's what you said you were doing.   
      
       Present your quote(s).   
      
   >Were you lying?   
      
       No, but so far I must suspect that you may be.   
      
   >>>and a couple of atheists who want to lower the age of   
   >>>majority are indicative.  That's no way to establish a statistical   
   >>>claim, much less a causal link.   
   >>   
   >>    You never provided reason to believe I was incorrect.   
      
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