XPost: sac.politics, can.politics, alt.atheism   
   XPost: alt.politics.homosexuality   
   From: David@block.net   
      
   On 3/31/2015 6:02 PM, mur. wrote:   
   > On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 20:23:35 -0600, David Johnston  wrote:   
   > .   
   >> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 21:33:12 -0400, mur. <> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 19:37:05 -0600, David Johnston  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 3/18/2015 5:11 PM, mur wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Not actually supporting your case there.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>      Yeah it does.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Your quotation is quite clear.  All sinned.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>       That's a very common belief. In fact I've never met anyone who   
   didn't   
   >>>>> believe it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Thus we are all damned to hell   
   >>>   
   >>>     Not necessarily. Do you have any clue why?   
   >>   
   >> Because if Hell doesn't exist, we aren't damned to it.   
   >   
   >      And if it does?   
   >   
   >>>> by default regardless of our particular   
   >>>> sins.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>      That would depend on the beliefs of the individual.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Which are whatever the individual wants them to be.  Hence the actual   
   >>>>>> prospect of going to prison being a more likely deterrent.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>       So you're saying we should believe no group of people is more   
   likely to   
   >>>>> abuse children than any other?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Nope.  That's not what I'm saying. And really I can't recall the last   
   >>>> time that someone started a sentence with "So you're saying" and   
   >>>> accurately conveyed what the person was saying.   
   >>>   
   >>>     Well so far you've provided no reason to believe I wasn't correct this   
   time.   
   >>>   
   >>>> It might in fact be the   
   >>>> case that atheists are statistically more likely to molest children than   
   >>>> church-goers.  You just haven't made a good argument for it or   
   >>>> established that the difference, if it exist is particularly large and   
   >>>> significant.   
   >>>   
   >>>     You still haven't provided reason to believe I wasn't correct.   
   >>   
   >> Yes I have.  I've pointed out that Judeo-Christian religion doesn't even   
   >> ban molestation.   
   >   
   >      How did you find that out?   
      
   I read the Bible.   
      
   >   
   >> I've pointed out that even if it did, the punishment   
   >> for it would be no more severe than it would be for being alive.   
   >   
   >      We are told:   
   >   
   > Mark 9:42   
   > "If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to   
   stumble,   
   > it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck   
   and   
   > they were thrown into the sea."   
      
   That is an admonition against drawing children into sinful behavior.  It   
   has no bearing on sex, assuming you marry the 12 year old first.   
      
   >   
   > so there may be more to it than you want people to believe.   
   >   
   >>>> You just kind of assumed that the many reports of child   
   >>>> molesting in connection to religious institutions are anomalous or   
   >>>> fabricated   
   >>>   
   >>>     Try providing reason to believe that.   
   >>   
   >> That's what you said you were doing.   
   >   
   >      Present your quote(s).   
   >   
   >> Were you lying?   
   >   
   >      No, but so far I must suspect that you may be.   
      
   Oh.  My mistake.  So instead your position is that the reports of child   
   molesting in connection to religious institutions are factual and not   
   anomalous.  How does this position support the claim that religion   
   prevents child molestation?   
      
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