XPost: sac.politics, can.politics, alt.atheism   
   XPost: alt.politics.homosexuality   
   From: David@block.net   
      
   On 4/7/2015 3:42 PM, David Johnston wrote:   
   > On 4/7/2015 3:03 PM, mur wrote:   
   >> On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 18:52:21 -0600, David Johnston    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 20:02:15 -0400, mur. <> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 20:23:35 -0600, David Johnston    
   >>>> wrote:   
   >>>> .   
   >>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 21:33:12 -0400, mur. <> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 19:37:05 -0600, David Johnston   
   >>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On 3/18/2015 5:11 PM, mur wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Not actually supporting your case there.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>      Yeah it does.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Your quotation is quite clear.  All sinned.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>       That's a very common belief. In fact I've never met anyone   
   >>>>>>>> who didn't   
   >>>>>>>> believe it.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Thus we are all damned to hell   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>     Not necessarily. Do you have any clue why?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Because if Hell doesn't exist, we aren't damned to it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>     And if it does?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>> by default regardless of our particular   
   >>>>>>> sins.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>      That would depend on the beliefs of the individual.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Which are whatever the individual wants them to be.  Hence the   
   >>>>>>>>> actual   
   >>>>>>>>> prospect of going to prison being a more likely deterrent.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>       So you're saying we should believe no group of people is   
   >>>>>>>> more likely to   
   >>>>>>>> abuse children than any other?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Nope.  That's not what I'm saying. And really I can't recall the   
   >>>>>>> last   
   >>>>>>> time that someone started a sentence with "So you're saying" and   
   >>>>>>> accurately conveyed what the person was saying.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>     Well so far you've provided no reason to believe I wasn't   
   >>>>>> correct this time.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> It might in fact be the   
   >>>>>>> case that atheists are statistically more likely to molest   
   >>>>>>> children than   
   >>>>>>> church-goers.  You just haven't made a good argument for it or   
   >>>>>>> established that the difference, if it exist is particularly   
   >>>>>>> large and   
   >>>>>>> significant.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>     You still haven't provided reason to believe I wasn't correct.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Yes I have.  I've pointed out that Judeo-Christian religion doesn't   
   >>>>> even   
   >>>>> ban molestation.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>     How did you find that out?   
   >>>   
   >>> I read the Bible.   
   >>   
   >>      What does it say about people eating their own children and their   
   >> own feces?   
   >>   
   >>>>> I've pointed out that even if it did, the punishment   
   >>>>> for it would be no more severe than it would be for being alive.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>     We are told:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Mark 9:42   
   >>>> "If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in   
   >>>> me--to stumble,   
   >>>> it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around   
   >>>> their neck and   
   >>>> they were thrown into the sea."   
   >>>   
   >>> That is an admonition against drawing children into sinful behavior.  It   
   >>> has no bearing on sex, assuming you marry the 12 year old first.   
   >>   
   >>      People had a different interpretation of maturity back in those   
   >> days,   
   >> probably in part because they didn't live half as long as they do today.   
   >> Actually from the impression I get it's not that "they" thought it was   
   >> ok for   
   >> girls to marry at an "earlier" age, but it's more like "we" think they   
   >> should   
   >> wait until a later age than people in most of human history.   
   >>   
   >>>> so there may be more to it than you want people to believe.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>> You just kind of assumed that the many reports of child   
   >>>>>>> molesting in connection to religious institutions are anomalous or   
   >>>>>>> fabricated   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>     Try providing reason to believe that.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> That's what you said you were doing.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>     Present your quote(s).   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Were you lying?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>     No, but so far I must suspect that you may be.   
   >>>   
   >>> Oh.  My mistake.   
   >>   
   >>      You didn't provide your quote(s).   
   >>   
   >>> So instead your position is that the reports of child   
   >>> molesting in connection to religious institutions are factual and not   
   >>> anomalous.   
   >>   
   >>      I feel sure that some are and some are not,   
   >   
   > What do you imagine the word "anomalous" means?   
   >   
      
   And the incidentally the reason I didn't provide the quote was because   
   sifting through dozens and dozens of your e-mails to find it would take   
   too long and accomplish too little.   
      
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