XPost: sac.politics, can.politics, alt.atheism   
   XPost: alt.politics.homosexuality   
      
   On Tue, 07 Apr 2015 17:15:01 -0600, David Johnston  wrote:   
   .   
   >On 4/7/2015 3:42 PM, David Johnston wrote:   
   >> On 4/7/2015 3:03 PM, mur wrote:   
   >>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 18:52:21 -0600, David Johnston    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 20:02:15 -0400, mur. <> wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 20:23:35 -0600, David Johnston    
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>> .   
   >>>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 21:33:12 -0400, mur. <> wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 19:37:05 -0600, David Johnston   
   >>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 3/18/2015 5:11 PM, mur wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Not actually supporting your case there.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>      Yeah it does.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Your quotation is quite clear.  All sinned.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>       That's a very common belief. In fact I've never met anyone   
   >>>>>>>>> who didn't   
   >>>>>>>>> believe it.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Thus we are all damned to hell   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>     Not necessarily. Do you have any clue why?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Because if Hell doesn't exist, we aren't damned to it.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>     And if it does?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> by default regardless of our particular   
   >>>>>>>> sins.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>      That would depend on the beliefs of the individual.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Which are whatever the individual wants them to be.  Hence the   
   >>>>>>>>>> actual   
   >>>>>>>>>> prospect of going to prison being a more likely deterrent.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>       So you're saying we should believe no group of people is   
   >>>>>>>>> more likely to   
   >>>>>>>>> abuse children than any other?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Nope.  That's not what I'm saying. And really I can't recall the   
   >>>>>>>> last   
   >>>>>>>> time that someone started a sentence with "So you're saying" and   
   >>>>>>>> accurately conveyed what the person was saying.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>     Well so far you've provided no reason to believe I wasn't   
   >>>>>>> correct this time.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> It might in fact be the   
   >>>>>>>> case that atheists are statistically more likely to molest   
   >>>>>>>> children than   
   >>>>>>>> church-goers.  You just haven't made a good argument for it or   
   >>>>>>>> established that the difference, if it exist is particularly   
   >>>>>>>> large and   
   >>>>>>>> significant.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>     You still haven't provided reason to believe I wasn't correct.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Yes I have.  I've pointed out that Judeo-Christian religion doesn't   
   >>>>>> even   
   >>>>>> ban molestation.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>     How did you find that out?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I read the Bible.   
   >>>   
   >>>      What does it say about people eating their own children and their   
   >>> own feces?   
   >>>   
   >>>>>> I've pointed out that even if it did, the punishment   
   >>>>>> for it would be no more severe than it would be for being alive.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>     We are told:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Mark 9:42   
   >>>>> "If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in   
   >>>>> me--to stumble,   
   >>>>> it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around   
   >>>>> their neck and   
   >>>>> they were thrown into the sea."   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That is an admonition against drawing children into sinful behavior.  It   
   >>>> has no bearing on sex, assuming you marry the 12 year old first.   
   >>>   
   >>>      People had a different interpretation of maturity back in those   
   >>> days,   
   >>> probably in part because they didn't live half as long as they do today.   
   >>> Actually from the impression I get it's not that "they" thought it was   
   >>> ok for   
   >>> girls to marry at an "earlier" age, but it's more like "we" think they   
   >>> should   
   >>> wait until a later age than people in most of human history.   
   >>>   
   >>>>> so there may be more to it than you want people to believe.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> You just kind of assumed that the many reports of child   
   >>>>>>>> molesting in connection to religious institutions are anomalous or   
   >>>>>>>> fabricated   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>     Try providing reason to believe that.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> That's what you said you were doing.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>     Present your quote(s).   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Were you lying?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>     No, but so far I must suspect that you may be.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Oh.  My mistake.   
   >>>   
   >>>      You didn't provide your quote(s).   
   >>>   
   >>>> So instead your position is that the reports of child   
   >>>> molesting in connection to religious institutions are factual and not   
   >>>> anomalous.   
   >>>   
   >>>      I feel sure that some are and some are not,   
   >>   
   >> What do you imagine the word "anomalous" means?   
   >>   
   >   
   >And the incidentally the reason I didn't provide the quote was because   
   >sifting through dozens and dozens of your e-mails to find it would take   
   >too long and accomplish too little.   
      
       Translation: You did try and found that you couldn't support your claim   
   because it was a lie, and now you're trying to wuss away from yourself.   
      
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