XPost: sac.politics, can.politics, alt.atheism   
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   On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 18:53:25 -0600, David Johnston  wrote:   
   .   
   >On 4/17/2015 2:56 PM, mur wrote:   
   >> On Tue, 07 Apr 2015 15:45:35 -0600, David Johnston  wrote:   
   >> .   
   >>> On 4/7/2015 3:03 PM, mur wrote:   
   >>>> On Wed, 01 Apr 2015 00:55:16 -0600, David Johnston    
   wrote:   
   >>>> .   
   >>>>> On 3/31/2015 6:02 PM, mur. wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 20:23:35 -0600, David Johnston    
   wrote:   
   >>>>>> .   
   >>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 21:33:12 -0400, mur. <> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 19:37:05 -0600, David Johnston    
   wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2015 5:11 PM, mur wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not actually supporting your case there.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>        Yeah it does.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Your quotation is quite clear.  All sinned.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>         That's a very common belief. In fact I've never met anyone   
   who didn't   
   >>>>>>>>>> believe it.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Thus we are all damned to hell   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>       Not necessarily. Do you have any clue why?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Because if Hell doesn't exist, we aren't damned to it.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>        And if it does?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Then we are all damned to it by default as I said before.  Assuming   
   >>>>> we're talking about the Christian Hell.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>       You like to think everyone will be damned to hell if it exists,   
   >>>   
   >>> What I like to think is irrelevant.  This is Christian doctrine,   
   >>   
   >>      Try to support your claim that everyone will be damned to Hell.   
   >   
   >That is not my claim.  My claim is that everyone _is_ damned to Hell _by   
   >default_ in Christian doctrine.  The "by default" part is important.   
      
       Then you agree that everyone is not likely to be damned to Hell if it   
   exists, but that atheists not only are likely to be but have also been well   
   warned and made aware of the possibility.   
      
   >And I already supported my claim by providing you with the references on   
   >Original Sin that you were too lazy to read even when I cut it down to a   
   >single paragraph.   
   >   
   >>   
   >>> like it or not.   
   >>>   
   >>>> without   
   >>>> exception regardless of what they do?   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> I see that you do not understand what the words "by default" mean.   
   >>> Obviously Christians who manage to time their deaths well get to escape.   
   >>   
   >>      What makes you think so?   
   >   
   >The fact that you replaced "by default" with "without exception" as if   
   >they mean the same thing.   
      
       That challenge was for you to try explaining what makes you think   
   "Christians who manage to time their deaths well get to escape."   
      
   >You would not do that if you understood the   
   >meaning of "by default"...unless you were dishonest.   
      
       Yes I would and did, in order to move things along to the point that you   
   made it known you don't believe everyone will be damned to hell without   
   exception. If you were never encouraged to make that clear people might always   
   wonder about it, but now we know.   
      
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