XPost: sac.politics, can.politics, alt.atheism
XPost: alt.politics.homosexuality
On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:42:48 -0600, David Johnston wrote:
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>On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 19:59:12 -0400, mur wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 18:48:48 -0600, David Johnston wrote:
>>.
>>>On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 16:56:00 -0400, mur wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 07 Apr 2015 17:15:01 -0600, David Johnston wrote:
>>>>.
>>>>>On 4/7/2015 3:42 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/7/2015 3:03 PM, mur wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 18:52:21 -0600, David Johnston
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 20:02:15 -0400, mur. <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 20:23:35 -0600, David Johnston
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 21:33:12 -0400, mur. <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 19:37:05 -0600, David Johnston
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2015 5:11 PM, mur wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not actually supporting your case there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah it does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your quotation is quite clear. All sinned.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a very common belief. In fact I've never met anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thus we are all damned to hell
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not necessarily. Do you have any clue why?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because if Hell doesn't exist, we aren't damned to it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And if it does?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> by default regardless of our particular
>>>>>>>>>>>> sins.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would depend on the beliefs of the individual.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which are whatever the individual wants them to be. Hence the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prospect of going to prison being a more likely deterrent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you're saying we should believe no group of people is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more likely to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> abuse children than any other?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope. That's not what I'm saying. And really I can't recall the
>>>>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>>>>> time that someone started a sentence with "So you're saying" and
>>>>>>>>>>>> accurately conveyed what the person was saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well so far you've provided no reason to believe I wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>> correct this time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It might in fact be the
>>>>>>>>>>>> case that atheists are statistically more likely to molest
>>>>>>>>>>>> children than
>>>>>>>>>>>> church-goers. You just haven't made a good argument for it or
>>>>>>>>>>>> established that the difference, if it exist is particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>> large and
>>>>>>>>>>>> significant.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You still haven't provided reason to believe I wasn't correct.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes I have. I've pointed out that Judeo-Christian religion doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>> ban molestation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How did you find that out?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I read the Bible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What does it say about people eating their own children and their
>>>>>>> own feces?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've pointed out that even if it did, the punishment
>>>>>>>>>> for it would be no more severe than it would be for being alive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We are told:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark 9:42
>>>>>>>>> "If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in
>>>>>>>>> me--to stumble,
>>>>>>>>> it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around
>>>>>>>>> their neck and
>>>>>>>>> they were thrown into the sea."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is an admonition against drawing children into sinful behavior.
It
>>>>>>>> has no bearing on sex, assuming you marry the 12 year old first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People had a different interpretation of maturity back in those
>>>>>>> days,
>>>>>>> probably in part because they didn't live half as long as they do
today.
>>>>>>> Actually from the impression I get it's not that "they" thought it was
>>>>>>> ok for
>>>>>>> girls to marry at an "earlier" age, but it's more like "we" think they
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> wait until a later age than people in most of human history.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> so there may be more to it than you want people to believe.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You just kind of assumed that the many reports of child
>>>>>>>>>>>> molesting in connection to religious institutions are anomalous or
>>>>>>>>>>>> fabricated
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Try providing reason to believe that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's what you said you were doing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Present your quote(s).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Were you lying?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, but so far I must suspect that you may be.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh. My mistake.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You didn't provide your quote(s).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So instead your position is that the reports of child
>>>>>>>> molesting in connection to religious institutions are factual and not
>>>>>>>> anomalous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I feel sure that some are and some are not,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you imagine the word "anomalous" means?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>And the incidentally the reason I didn't provide the quote was because
>>>>>sifting through dozens and dozens of your e-mails to find it would take
>>>>>too long and accomplish too little.
>>>>
>>>> Translation: You did try and found that you couldn't support your claim
>>>>because it was a lie
>>>
>>>No, I didn't.
>>
>> You're letting us know that you're either too half ass to try supporting
>>your own claim which still clearly appears to be a lie, or that you knew it
was
>>a lie when you made the claim and that's why you can't try to support it.
>
>If "supporting my claim" would accomplish anything I'd do it. Since it
>won't, I won't. Instead lets move on. Is it your position that the
>reports of child molesting in connection to religious institutions are
>factual
I'm confident some are. Aren't you?
>and not anomalous?
I'm confident they all would be. Aren't you?
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