XPost: sac.politics, can.politics, alt.atheism
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On Sat, 09 May 2015 00:23:39 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
wrote:
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>On Fri, 08 May 2015 22:03:13 -0400, mur wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:04:46 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>>wrote:
>>.
>>>In article <55s2kata1jumaue00omuatdhvqkmblkph5@4ax.com>, mur wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 04:38:06 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>>>> wrote:
>>>> .
>>>> >On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 16:53:59 -0400, mur wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>On Thu, 09 Apr 2015 06:40:24 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>> >>.
>>>> >>>On Tue, 07 Apr 2015 17:04:00 -0400, mur wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 23:11:12 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>> >I'm going to guess none. He's shown no willingness to accept a
>>>> >>>>>> >rational
>>>> >>>>>> >point-of-view.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Like what? I consider the possibility that there's no God
>>>> >>>>>> associated with
>>>> >>>>>> this planet. I also consider the possibility that there's no God
>>>> >>>>>> associated
>>>> >>>>>> with
>>>> >>>>>> any place(s) in the universe but consider that extremely unlikely.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>Why do you find it unlikely?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Because of how old the universe is, how many star systems there
are,
>>>> >>>> and how
>>>> >>>>much humans have figured out how to do in such a short period of time.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>Better than that. The universe began when an infinitely small point of
>>>> >>>mass/energy of infinite density appeared in nothingness. Said
infinitely
>>>> >>>small
>>>> >>>point expanded/inflated for 13.7 billion years (calculated) such that
the
>>>> >>>known
>>>> >>>universe is now some 160 billion-trillion miles in diameter.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>It's creation at it's finest. Something from nothing into nothingness.
>>>> >>>Mass/energy is not intelligent and hence could not do it on it's own.
The
>>>> >>>creator's name is almighty God who is neither mass nor energy.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Well, I feel it would be the other way around, and that if there are
>>>> >> Gods
>>>> >>associated with the universe the developed from it, even if that was in
>>>> >>previous
>>>> >>cycles of expansion. One way is no more or less fantastic than another
>>>> >>though,
>>>> >>when we consider how so much matter and energy could have come into
>>>> >>existence
>>>> >>from nothing. Just saying God did it doesn't mean anything to me and if
he
>>>> >>exists and cares he knows it, so there's no reason for me to pretend it
>>>> >>seems
>>>> >>like a reasonable explanation when discussing it with other humans.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>>> But I go
>>>> >>>>>> on
>>>> >>>>>> to consider more than some people are able to as well. So what
would
>>>> >>>>>> you like
>>>> >>>>>> people to think I'm not willing to "accept"?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>>Reality.
>>>> >>>> Like what? Don't you have any idea about that either?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>I concur. I wonder what his "reality" reality is.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I do too. No one can figure it all out, but these people usually
don't
>>>> >> even
>>>> >>seem able to figure out what they think they think themselves. And even
>>>> >>after
>>>> >>they make it clear they believe there's no God associated with Earth,
they
>>>> >>more
>>>> >>often than not also make it clear that they're ashamed of the fact.
>>>> >
>>>> >In what way, precisely, do we "make it clear that we're ashamed of the
>>>> >fact"?
>>>>
>>>> Any time any of you deny you have faith that there is no God
associated
>>>> with
>>>> Earth.
>>>
>>>
>>>> >Our exact words indicating shame.
>>>>
>>>> I don't keep many of those claims in my notes, but here are some:
>>>> _________________________________________________________
>>>> "We REALLY have no belief about gods." - Smiler
>>>
>>>What is shame in that?
>>
>> Shame in his belief of course.
>
>What belief?
That he believes there's no God associated with this planet.
>>>> "Faith is a character flaw." - Jeanne Douglas
>>>
>>>What is shame in that?
>>
>> Shame of everything you have faith in of course, including your faith
that
>>gravity will keep you from floating off the Earth, etc.......
>
>I have no such faith. I have empirical evidence.
Why are you so ashamed of your faith in the evidence being correct?
>>>> "if You have FAITH OF ANYKIND whatsoever about weather god exists you
>>>> are a theist" - bilgat@m.nu
>>>
>>>What is shame in that?
>>
>> Shame of strong atheism of course.
>
>Why would a strong atheist be ashamed of being a strong atheist?
Why don't you tell us why you're ashamed of it?
>>>> "I am glad that you realize that there are no such thing as atheist
beliefs.
>>>> It took long enough." - thomas p
>>>
>>>What is shame in that?
>>
>> Shame of strong atheism of course.
>>
>>>> "It is the absence of a *particular* belief - 'the belief gods exists'." -
>>>> Les
>>
>> Shame of strong atheism of course.
>>
>>>> "I have no beliefs." - Jeanne Douglas
>>>
>>>What is shame in that?
>>
>> Shame of everything you believe...LOL!!!...of course. Hilarious!!!
>
>What do I believe that I should be ashamed of?
I don't know why you "should" be ashamed of any of it. But I know you're
ashamed of your belief that there's no God associated with Earth, and you're
ashamed of your faith in everything you have faith in. From my pov it seems you
should NOT be ashamed of those things but instead you should proudly admit them
AND try to defend them.
>>>> ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ
>>>> They were so common for so long that there was no reason to keep many of
>>>> them.
>>>> It was MUCH more unusual for atheists to admit their belief
>>>
>>>What "belief"?
>>
>> Shame of strong atheism of course.
>
>Why would a strong atheist be ashamed of being a strong atheist?
>
>But I'm not a strong atheist,
If you're not then you're as stupid a weak atheist or agnostic as a person
can be.
>so why would I be ashamed of something
>that doesn't even apply to me?
>
>>>> , and still is, so
>>>> I
>>>> kept more examples of that even though there were a lot fewer of them.
>>>
>>>And I'd like to point out the "shame" you see in any of them.
>>
>> Shame of strong atheism of course.
>
>Why would a strong atheist be ashamed of being a strong atheist?
>
>Of course you didn't answer the question, so I'll restate it for you.
>What are the EXACT WORDS said by anybody here that indicate shame.
"I'm not a strong atheist"
>>>> >>The most
>>>> >>pathetic of all from my pov though is the evidence thing. I would very
much
>>>> >>like
>>>> >>to know what sort of evidence they think "should be" where, why they
think
>>>> >>it
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